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ChrisCar6
05-04-2013, 11:59
Regs out Monday.

The Slug
05-04-2013, 13:33
Always a good event, but no car again for this one, next year hopefully!

turbonutter
05-04-2013, 13:51
If only I wasnt at work :(

The Slug
05-04-2013, 14:00
You just want to burn us all off........lol...:cool:

rutthenut
26-04-2013, 09:51
http://www.abingdoncarnival.com (http://www.abingdoncarnival.com/)

I see that Chris Richard has entered the rally with his Strat, down from Scotland again :-)
Looks like he was the third entry that they received. Very keen. Good man!

http://www.abingdoncarnival.com/AbingdonCARnival/Competition/Entries/2013/6/9_CAR-nival_Rally_Stages_files/AMC%20Stages%20Entry%20list%20as%20at%2025th%20April%202013.pdf

btw, I will be competing in this event too, as my first stage rally in the driving seat.
Not in my Strat - that isn't rally legal - but in a V8 Opel Manta I recently purchased.

Elliott
26-04-2013, 10:24
How it once was. Abingdon 2009.

I couldn't park straight then either! :)

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q299/elevy_bucket/abingdon%202009/2009_0613snow0078.jpg (http://s139.photobucket.com/user/elevy_bucket/media/abingdon%202009/2009_0613snow0078.jpg.html)

Sando
26-04-2013, 16:50
Sounds good JR what's the reg of the car? Not VFM 3R by any chance?
That was once one of our beasts. If it is, the bottom coat of paint is a lovely Stratos Verde Green.....until the next owner painted it black ....
Rob

ChrisCar6
26-04-2013, 17:25
Good stuff John. What is it with V engined Mantas? Gary Keenen is talking about putting a V6 in his.

rutthenut
26-04-2013, 18:05
Sounds good JR what's the reg of the car? Not VFM 3R by any chance?
Nah, not that. It has a suspect 'HOR' numberplate on it.
Reminds me of the phrase "If it has boobs or an engine, it will cost money"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rutthenut/8620701242/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rutthenut/8620701242/)

Prefer to call it Thor, as the reg looks a bit like that ;-)
And then I can sing "Hammer Time" to myself when I use it...

ChrisCar6
28-05-2013, 00:35
Stage maps out. http://www.abingdoncarnival.com/AbingdonCARnival/Competition/Entries/2013/6/9_CAR-nival_Rally_Stages_files/2013%20AMC%20Stage%20Stage%20Maps.pdf

rutthenut
28-05-2013, 10:01
Stage maps out. http://www.abingdoncarnival.com/AbingdonCARnival/Competition/Entries/2013/6/9_CAR-nival_Rally_Stages_files/2013%20AMC%20Stage%20Stage%20Maps.pdf

Changes over recent years are that the Control Tower section is not included (due for demolition, contains asbestos too, fwiw) and only the first loop through the Bomb Dump is being used (had problems on second loop before and is apparently underwater already!).

See also http://www.britishrally.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50918

carol
03-06-2013, 22:14
is there anyone going along to abingdon on the saturday or sunday??
regards carol

The Slug
04-06-2013, 01:03
We are......

ChrisCar6
04-06-2013, 08:54
is there anyone going along to abingdon on the saturday or sunday??
regards carol
Yes competing Sunday. But you probably knew that!

rutthenut
04-06-2013, 10:01
Yes competing Sunday. But you probably knew that!

Same here, though not in the Strat. Which I also think you knew ;-)

ChrisCar6
06-06-2013, 00:16
John, you couldn't bring your Stratos, for like, spares?

rutthenut
06-06-2013, 09:30
Cheeky :-o

If I could drive the Jeep with a trailer, plus the Strat, then I would have both cars along.
But logistics will conspire against that option!

ChrisCar6
06-06-2013, 12:54
Rollin' - new upright fitted and we're back on track. Speaking of tracking, not sure if I'll get a chance to check alignment. Fingers crossed.
And before any of you think of smart remarks about it being rare for me to be on track for long,
:-p

ChrisCar6
07-06-2013, 00:24
Progress. Tracking sorted. Full camber /caster will have to wait. Hopefully it hasn't moved much.
Then I got unhappy with the offside rear suspension. Loud crashing bangs over bumps. Stripped suspension down. Newly rebuilt strut. New top mounts and fairly new hub assembly / wishbone, so no clues. There seems to be play in the ball in its housing in the top mount. I've reassembled it all again, with some added torque where appropriate, but ran out of time to drive it again, at least I can't see anything that's falling apart.

Sando
07-06-2013, 08:58
It may be the bearing moving in the top mount Chris I had to shim mine behind the circlip to stop the crashing on my first set of mounts. Also the ball joint themselves can be not as tight side to side and when used on top of a strut in that side on position even from new can rattle. More expensive joints designed for the job reduced it massively for me.

also check tightness of inner end of rear tie bar as this knocks with suspension movement when slightly loose
have a good run
Rob

rutthenut
07-06-2013, 09:24
Progress. Tracking sorted. Full camber /caster will have to wait. Hopefully it hasn't moved much.
Will you have a camber gauge with you this weekend? I can bring my simple ADA gauge if needed.
Though changing camber will affect tracking, so may just be handy to see where it as at even if no adjustments made on the day.

ChrisCar6
07-06-2013, 10:47
Thanks John, I think I'll use it as it is and get a full setup done afterwards, which is putting the cart before the chicken, but I know I'd only get in a pickle messing around in service area!
Rob, what did you shim the mounts with? These are Hawk's (very) expensive supplied item!

Sando
07-06-2013, 15:32
Mine were from Compbrake. I believe they also made the original Hawk roller mounts. Ring them as they were well aware of the shim being needed at the time, they may still have some. Fitting was a biach though. V tight. On the original bearings I also punched around the edge of the bearing carrier to tighten them up. The top quality roller top mount specific ones were much much better though ( from Tweeks)

ChrisCar6
10-06-2013, 21:04
Had a great time at Abingdon - it was good to meet Ian & Jayne, Carol & John, John R. and Jerry Bailey there as well as Mick.
Got my usual banzai first stage out of the way with 2 spins, but no more after that. I must give tyres more time to warm up! The first stage was as far as a lot of competitors got, there were abandoned cars everywhere. Things got better and faster. The day went on and we were up to 46th after SS6. Unfortunately (there always is an 'unfortunately') just past half way on stage 7, the 'you have insufficient clutch to continue' alarm came on as the cockpit filled with smoke and I couldn't select a gear for the chicane, so we rolled into the marshals area and retired. Other than that, the car and navigator ran faultlessly, unlike the driver. Gearshift still needs some work, and a higher rev limit would be useful, it seems to cut in at 6k.
thanks to Mick for navigating, good company and good advice.

catswhiskers
10-06-2013, 21:54
Hi Chris,
Thanks for offering the co drivers seat to me and for the hospitality over the weekend. I had a thoroughly enjoyable time even though the clutch cried enough so near to the end. These things happen but at least up until then the car ran faultlessly and it was clear that as the day went on, your confidence in the car and my instructions grew stage by stage.
Hope you had a safe journey home and that the clutch replacement goes as planned.
Next time.......
Cheers,
Mick (aka rent a nav)

The Slug
11-06-2013, 00:02
A quick clip of Chris and Mick in action thanks to Carol and the iphone.......



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ChrisCar6
11-06-2013, 09:29
A quick clip of Chris and Mick (http://www.stratosec.com/videos/abingdon.mp4) in action thanks to Carol and the iphone.......

You're teasing Ian.......I can't see it?

The Slug
11-06-2013, 15:28
Your right its all gone funny!!!!

Worked last night will have a look when I get home from work!!

Maybe its because I have quicktime installed at home as its from an IPhone?



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rutthenut
11-06-2013, 17:59
Worked last night will have a look when I get home from work!!
Maybe its because I have quicktime installed at home as its from an IPhone?

Worked Ok for me. Again, may be that the .mov file required quicktime, as you say?

The Slug
11-06-2013, 19:15
There you go fixed it for you....!!!

Can people tell me if both of them work please and which is better?

They both work for me so I cant tell....

Thanks

rutthenut
11-06-2013, 20:51
There you go fixed it for you....!!!

Can people tell me if both of them work please and which is better?

They both work for me so I cant tell....

Thanks

Well the forum post now includes an embedded video, if that's what you mean.
The download link worked for me before.

The Slug
11-06-2013, 21:52
Embedded with two different format John, just in case folk don't have quicktime or codec etc

ChrisCar6
11-06-2013, 22:13
Both working fine on iPad

ChrisCar6
12-06-2013, 22:51
Looks like the spring rates and camber are about right...


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ChrisCar6
15-06-2013, 22:41
This'll be the problem!

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Cadami
15-06-2013, 22:56
You been riding the clutch Chris?

rutthenut
15-06-2013, 23:52
Ouch. Recall one standard clutch plate failing in my Strat before.
Was told afterwards that one mod for competition use has been to remove the standard rivets from the friction material, bond the panels to the plate with epoxy then refit new rivets. Not something I've tried, but would probably have avoided the problem when I had it.
A better clutch in the first place is probably the best answer. Paddle unit maybe?

rutthenut
15-06-2013, 23:53
Snapshot of your Strat here (sorry about poor focus)
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ProtoTipo
16-06-2013, 09:35
Chris,

How does it steer with the 7" rims on the front?
Does it feel any different, or better?

ChrisCar6
16-06-2013, 11:58
Not noticeably different Chris, but the sticky tyres might counter any change to narrower wheels. Tyres still 205 on front.

ChrisCar6
16-06-2013, 14:41
Ouch. Recall one standard clutch plate failing in my Strat before.
Was told afterwards that one mod for competition use has been to remove the standard rivets from the friction material, bond the panels to the plate with epoxy then refit new rivets. Not something I've tried, but would probably have avoided the problem when I had it.
A better clutch in the first place is probably the best answer. Paddle unit maybe?

Did you use a road clutch all the time on track John?

ProtoTipo
16-06-2013, 15:43
Not noticeably different Chris, but the sticky tyres might counter any change to narrower wheels. Tyres still 205 on front.

I never got chance to use those 7" silver Minilites, and decided to sell the orange car with the mag coffin spokes on the back, so I wondered what they'd be like. Knowing how the amount of offset can make quite a difference on a Hawk. When my dark blue Hawk was still on 4 studs, it had very little offset on the front Image wheels. The car was really good back then, and had no kick back or anything in the steering. It never looked quite right though, as the wheels didn't fill the front arches for width. It had 205 P7s fitted, and I think the rim width was 8". Obviously caster/camber/tracking all make a difference too, but I'm sure the early days of that dark blue car were the best in this respect.

rutthenut
16-06-2013, 17:49
Did you use a road clutch all the time on track John?
Yes, never had paddle clutch.
Think I put an uprated clutch in at some stage, but not a full competition unit.