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davehanman
21-04-2013, 10:12
Does anybody out there have ideas on the origins of this steering wheel - it's a screen-grab of Waldegard at the wheel of his 1976 Safari Stratos.

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Guy Mayers
21-04-2013, 11:06
Can't help with the wheel David but the boss looks a little deeper than the usual one so that may be a clue?

Guy
davehanman
21-04-2013, 12:51
Hi Guy, yes could be a spacer boss to bring the wheel back. It's dished a bit too. Cheers for the input

David
ProtoTipo
22-04-2013, 08:44
It's a Ferrero David. Note the pcd size and bolt arrangement.
I've never, ever, seen one for sale.

There's a standard Lancia Montecarlo wheel (MOMO fitting, here (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3397/3620630378_77b4043143.jpg)) that looks similar, but it's not the right one, and it won't do for your car.
davehanman
22-04-2013, 16:36
Thanks Chris, looks like we might have to make one
Guy Mayers
22-04-2013, 20:47
Base for modification?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-70s-Ferrero-Steering-Wheel-/221217487903?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item338196fc1f&vxp=mtr

Expensive start though....

Guy
Monte76
22-04-2013, 21:31
That's a good find Guy, that would be a spot on steering wheel as it's almost a perfect match to this very well know car :cool:.

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/Other/Web-Images/i-6vt9qwd/0/XL/lancia%20stratos%20interior-XL.jpg

Get it retrimmed to match and I would have thought the long spoke trim would cover the two outer most holes leaving just the single inner hole visable.

It's a good start anyway, not sure how rare they are.

Vince.
Monte76
22-04-2013, 21:34
Just found this photo as well:

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/Other/Web-Images/i-9jKtgFK/0/XL/TDC1979a-XL.jpg
Monte76
22-04-2013, 21:38
Of course the Group 5 car had this version as well:

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/Other/Web-Images/i-t7GDwgN/0/L/IMG_4902-L.jpg
Guy Mayers
22-04-2013, 22:20
That's got to be the narrowest drivers seat ever fitted!

Guy


Of course the Group 5 car had this version as well:

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/Other/Web-Images/i-t7GDwgN/0/L/IMG_4902-L.jpg
Guy Mayers
22-04-2013, 22:29
I'd ask a question or two of the seller before spending that sort of money on it. It'd be a shame to buy it and find it's the wrong diameter? At the price they are asking it may be around a while? If it's not far off it could be a useful pattern for a tool? The spokes look it's fabricated rather than pressed?

Chrome handbrake lever too?

Guy



That's a good find Guy, that would be a spot on steering wheel as it's almost a perfect match to this very well know car :cool:.

http://vincesgallery.smugmug.com/Other/Web-Images/i-6vt9qwd/0/XL/lancia%20stratos%20interior-XL.jpg

Get it retrimmed to match and I would have thought the long spoke trim would cover the two outer most holes leaving just the single inner hole visable.

It's a good start anyway, not sure how rare they are.

Vince.
davehanman
23-04-2013, 01:18
Cheers guys. We think Waldegard used a special one without the holes that somehow better suited him - maybe for safety reasons.

The photo that Vince posted is the same car, different driver, it's Robin Ulyate's number 6 1977 Safari car.
ProtoTipo
23-04-2013, 08:04
As Guy says, the Miura wheel is too large in diameter.

Quite a few of the Ferrero wheels had that six bolt fitting ring in the centre. I know the photo of the Waldergard car doesn't, but it could be used to disguise a Monte MOMO wheel, and to have the bolts on the larger circle and in between each of the existing holes?

I think some early Integrales had a similar three spoke steering wheel to the MOMO Monte one.
ProtoTipo
23-04-2013, 08:11
It looks like the bend in the spokes is on a straight line.
So it would be much easier to make one up than (for example) it would be for the 4 spoke Stradale wheel.
I remember Gerry said the four spoke one needed some tooling because the bend for the dish is on a radius.

The two spoke Ferrero wheels also have a bend on a straight line, so they could possible be cut and formed too. The two spokes do tend to come up for sale much more often than the others though. When I say 'often', I mean twice a year!
davehanman
23-04-2013, 14:57
The bend is curved, looking at the lower spoke

david
ProtoTipo
23-04-2013, 16:23
The bend is curved, looking at the lower spoke

david

Yes, I think you might be right.
The radius should be the same as the Stradale Ferrero, so I wonder what Gerry's tooling consists of?
Guy Mayers
24-04-2013, 22:17
Still not the right one and yet even more expensive..

http://www.ebay.de/itm/VW-Kafer-Ferrero-Lederlenkrad-Lenkrad-steering-wheel-/350416019936?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item51966c21e0

Guy
ProtoTipo
25-04-2013, 08:17
Still not the right one and yet even more expensive..

http://www.ebay.de/itm/VW-Kafer-Ferrero-Lederlenkrad-Lenkrad-steering-wheel-/350416019936?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item51966c21e0

Guy

That's the same as a Miura wheel. 'Looks like the seller doesn't realise that, but knows it's rare?
davehanman
25-04-2013, 14:03
That looks very similar to the 1977 Safari wheel. Could probably be used for a 1977 car. Hopefully something will come up without the holes in the spokes !

Thanks for your help, let's keep looking !!
tomsredstratos
26-04-2013, 08:02
Is this the one you are looking for.
It is only on the RHD Lamborghini Urraco. LHD ones are very different.
If you think it is close we have some cars in storage I could measure etc.

Tom.
The Slug
26-04-2013, 08:46
That looks close to my untrained eye Tom, nice one....

But how are you going to explain the new Momo thats took its place???????
ProtoTipo
26-04-2013, 10:14
Is this the one you are looking for.
It is only on the RHD Lamborghini Urraco. LHD ones are very different.
If you think it is close we have some cars in storage I could measure etc.

Tom.

Is that the interior of a Urraco 300 Tom?
I remember the 250 model with the Miura/Stratos inner door handles and that weird space age steering wheel.
tomsredstratos
26-04-2013, 13:09
Yes RHD 3000cc.
The 250 LHD has the strange wheel.

Tom.
Monte76
26-04-2013, 13:55
Good find Tom, if that's not the exact same wheel then its mighty close. It'll be interesting to see if the mounting hole pattern matches.

Vince.
Guy Mayers
27-04-2013, 14:18
http://www.eurospares.co.uk/searchResult_one.asp?M=&Mo=&A=&B=&ID4=&S=004308743&SO=1&SB=3&SM=&SMo=&O=0

Listed as used, £600 (!) for Uracco 300 but has holes with bungs? A 250 wheel is available new for £200.

I'll keep looking!

Guy
Guy Mayers
27-04-2013, 14:32
http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/vbforum/f41/wheeler-dealers-27289/

Upcoming Wheeler Dealer resto? If they've got the right steering wheel it might be worth offering to but them a brand new one and PX fort he old one?

Just a thought, contact email on this thread.

Guy
davehanman
02-05-2013, 05:55
Tom, thanks, this is the closest i've seen. If you have any cars with this wheel on them, it would be great if you could get some measurements. The wheel you've shown me the photo of looks almost identical to Waldegards 1976 wheel, other photos of RHD Uraccos look a bit different (more dish where the spokes are covered).

Thanks for your help

David




Is this the one you are looking for.
It is only on the RHD Lamborghini Urraco. LHD ones are very different.
If you think it is close we have some cars in storage I could measure etc.

Tom.
davehanman
03-05-2013, 04:43
Here's a much clearer detail - Waldegards 1975 Safari car, i found this image in McKlein's excellent new book "Safari Rally"

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ChrisCar6
03-05-2013, 09:28
What steering racks did Lancia use?
The Slug
03-05-2013, 20:08
I was just looking through some of my pics and does this look close? Not a good angle I know....

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tomsredstratos
03-05-2013, 20:59
I will have a measure and get some pictures as soon as I am near any RHD Urraco's.

Tom.
davehanman
03-05-2013, 22:12
It does, but something not quite right about the padded part of the spoke ?

What's the story of that wheel ?!

David


I was just looking through some of my pics and does this look close? Not a good angle I know....

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The Slug
03-05-2013, 23:43
Hi David,

No story really,
Its one I had but have let Listerbell use it for the IVA, not thought about it until your post and I was looking through my build photos and came across it and thought that looks similar..
davehanman
13-05-2013, 10:31
Tom,
PM sent about the Uracco wheel we discussed at Stoneleigh

David
tomsredstratos
13-05-2013, 18:47
David,
Replied to PM.
Tom.
ProtoTipo
08-06-2013, 12:53
What steering racks did Lancia use?

The steering arms (and rack mount position) on a Stratos are forward of the axle line, with the pinion below the rack.
The Triumph Herald also this arrangement.
Another one with a similar set up is the Ferrari 246/308. So my guess is that the Stratos rack has more to do with Ferrari than Fiat? It's just a guess though.

The X1/9/Monte have the rack mount and steering arms behind the axle line, with the pinion above the rack, so no use on a Stratos. Not if mounted the right way up, that is. You sit that bit further back in an X1/9 compared to a Stratos, where you're nearly on the top of the front wheels. No wonder some find the skewed seat to pedals angle a bit odd?
Guy Mayers
10-06-2013, 19:22
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLANTE-ABARTH-NERO-CON-3-RAZZE-NERE-/19041597

Close... Bolt pattern not quite right...

Guy
davehanman
11-06-2013, 02:42
Guy, the link's not working. Anyway, some more news : this wheel is not just Uracco, it's on all Countach LP400's as well. Not sure if that makes it easier, or harder, to find one ! So far, we're coming up blank.
Thanks

David
Guy Mayers
11-06-2013, 19:50
Try this one David...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190415972150?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D190415972150%26_rdc%3D1

good to hear there's a more common donor!

Guy
davehanman
12-06-2013, 01:42
That's a very nice wheel Guy. Nearly right. I see it's a replica and will contact the seller and try to find out where it was made.

Cheers

David
Guy Mayers
07-07-2013, 20:39
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-RS-3-Spoke-Steering-Wheel-Ford-Capri-Escort-MK1-MK2-RS-2000-BDA/130939731533?_trksid=p1.m2293&_trkparms=aid%3D555003%26algo%3DPW.CAT%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D162%26meid%3D8910931506259928491%26pid%3D100076%26prg%3D1087%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D221248932235%26%26clkid%3D8910938097437639302&_qi=RTM1342311

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ProtoTipo
08-07-2013, 12:20
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-RS-3-Spoke-Steering-Wheel-Ford-Capri-Escort-MK1-MK2-RS-2000-BDA/130939731533?_trksid=p1.m2293&_trkparms=aid%3D555003%26algo%3DPW.CAT%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D162%26meid%3D8910931506259928491%26pid%3D100076%26prg%3D1087%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D221248932235%26%26clkid%3D8910938097437639302&_qi=RTM1342311

?

Guy,
The 6 mounting bolt hole positions on those RS wheels is the same as a Ferrero (2 of the six at the top, rather than just 1)
I've also got a feeling that they used both 70mm and 75mm (75mm, same as Ferrero) for mounting p.c.d. sizes.

There is also a 4 spoke RS wheel, which might not look too out of place?
Here (http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Genuine-Ford-RS-4-Spoke-Steering-Wheel-Escort-Mk2-Cosworth-Cortina-Fiesta-/00/s/MTQ1MFgxNTky/z/bnsAAMXQinlRlQL-/$(KGrHqV,!qsFF7uqpYDZBRlQL-qN8!~~60_35.JPG)