IVA passed - nearly! Failed only on speedo

[hollytree]

Failed yesterday at IVA test.
Over centre catches OK. California Vitaloni mirrors OK. Loud exhaust OK.

Failed on penultimate test, the speedo accuracy. Not possible to get stable and accurate reading.

I have VDO electronic speedo with Alfa 164 and 5 speed gearbox. I have inductive sensor and shielded cable earthed at sensor end.

I tried to get Alfa gearbox sender working with VDO but failed. Any ideas? Could it be broken?

I fixed VDO sensor on chassis to sense drive shaft bolts. Is it better to be perpendicular to the nut heads, or sensor in the same plane as shaft rotatation?
Bracket is 1mm aluminium plate. Could vibration be issue?

Can any inductive sensor be used. Ebay or RS?

Regards
Steve

[strat24v]

Fault you are finding is the engine moving on it's mounts and the sensor is fixed on the chassis. Mount the sensor on the gearbox, use some thicker material for the mount.

[john]

I think there was some relevant advice in your original thread on the speedo sensor.
But hey, one issue ain't at all bad.
Re-test should be stress free if you can sort this out pronto.

[Strat Fan]

Gear box mounted would be better rather than chassis mounted but given the Corse engine mounts are very rigid I doubt the engine moving is the issue.
A 1mm bracket is too thin for a sensor bracket so I suspect this is flexing with vibration & causing the issue, consistent gap is the key.
A 2 wire VDO sensor is absolutely fine, no need to swap the sensor. Drive shaft bolt heads are good for pick up & the sensor mounted vertically above the bolts is fine too.

[catswhiskers]

Gear box mounted would be better rather than chassis mounted but given the Corse engine mounts are very rigid I doubt the engine moving is the issue.

I had this problem with my Corse. I used a 3mm thick steel bracket but mounted it on the chassis. By the time I got to the SVA station the engine movement had caused contact with the sensor and ripped the end out. That was the only thing I failed on too and a new sensor and engine mounted bracket sorted it quickly and simply.
Well done.
Mick

[hollytree]

Any ideas on whether to order new gearbox sensor and if this can be easily integrated with VDO speedo.
It would be the neatest solution

[Cadami]

I originally used the standard sensor in the 164 box connected to a GTV electronic speedo. This was via a calibration control box to enable the speed to be calibrated. Worked fine and was 100% accurate.

[hollytree]

I originally used the standard sensor in the 164 box connected to a GTV electronic speedo. This was via a calibration control box to enable the speed to be calibrated. Worked fine and was 100% accurate.

The vdo speedo has a calibration function.
I just want to know how to check if the alfa sensor is working, should I buy a new one, and if they can be connnected.
Is the alfa inductive or hall effect. It changes the connections on the speedo.

Regards
Steve

[Cadami]

Steve, I'd assume the box sensor works for starters as they're reliable but you could buy a new one. I'm unsure of the sensor type. You've obviously switched the sensor options on the speedo without any success? It maybe outside the speedo tolerances!
I'd reposition the VDO sensor to a box mount point to pick up the shaft input........ I've used that config for my SPA digital speedo and it works fine.

[mel lewis]

Just a quick one Steve, check all the nuts are in the same posistion as they pass the sensor, either all flats of the nuts or all points ..

mel


PS Well done young man.....looking forward to seeing it next year at the Kit Car Show or Silverstone...

[turbonutter]

As above, 1mm alloy bracket is too thin, either a 2 or 3mm steel/stainless bracket mounted to the gearbox is the best way to mount the sensor.

[strat24v]

Adding to Mels post, there needs to be an equal gap between the sensor and each of the targets it's pointed at, if the gaps are unequal, you will get a poor signal. Not sure on the recommended gap but on an abs sensor I checked, the gap was 0.3mm. Pointing at the nut ends, you may still get a poor signal, is be inclined to point at the cap head end.

[hollytree]

Bracket arrived from Craig and very nice it is too.
I put 2 washers between the bracket and the gearbox so that the sender was not overhanging the flange at all.
I put a rivnut in for a captive earth connection.
Adjusted the clearance to about 1.5mm and perfect speedo readings. Checked with road angel in car.
Now to rebook test for last iva point.

75787579

[hollytree]

IVA retest today for speedo.
Craigs bracket on. 30 seconds on rollers up through the gears and thumbs up.
IVA passed.
Now for registration and painting.

[The Slug]

Well done on the pass......

That was the easy bit ...lol you wait to see how clever the DVLA are at sorting you some plates!!

No, hopefully it will be better for you when I did mine they had just changed from local offices to the central system and it literally took me months to get a set of plates from them

Another one on the road for summer 2015 then

[Allora#2]

Excellent news!
congratulations to passed IVA, and tell us which color or livery it will have!
Enzo