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Missilemech
05-02-2015, 17:10
Anyone know where I can get hold of either an original or good replica Stratos steering wheel?
Missilemech
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The Slug
05-02-2015, 17:21
Best I can find at the moment not 100% correct
Here (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLANTE-ORIGINALE-FERRERO-TORINO-FIAT-LANCIA-ALFA-DEPOCA-ABARTH-HF-FULVIA-GTA-/191187708556?pt=Ricambi_automobili&hash=item2c83acea8c)
Guy Mayers
05-02-2015, 17:24
Gerry used to make them but I don't know if he has any left. Not the prettiest wheel, demand was limited. Try calling him?
Guy
Or there's this on ebay:
Vintage Ferrero, OEM Lancia Stratos Steering Wheel, Very Rare! (http://r.ebay.com/nWqJB0)
:confused:
How much???????? Good grief.
Allora#2
02-03-2015, 18:01
next!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLANTE-STEERING-WHEEL-FERRERO-TIPO-LIKE-LANCIA-STRATOS/251858922312?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131017132637%26meid%3D5a2ee967f24e41059bf30432350bc87d%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D251858922312
Stratie.fr
03-03-2015, 18:52
another one Ferrero in Italy ... but seems like Momo HUB!
http://www.subito.it/accessori-auto/volante-ferrero-treviso-98431737.htm
I think we need popcorn for this one:
VOLANTE STEERING WHEEL FERRERO TIPO LIKE LANCIA STRATOS (http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=251858922312&_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2765)
I know they have always been pretty rare but are they really worth so much money now?
Stratie.fr
05-03-2015, 21:27
I think we need popcorn for this one:
VOLANTE STEERING WHEEL FERRERO TIPO LIKE LANCIA STRATOS (http://offer.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=251858922312&_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2765)
I know they have always been pretty rare but are they really worth so much money now?
For Sure there is no crisis for sellers of genuine Stratos parts!
This Ferrero one is very expensive and isn't in perfect condition, it's possible to find another cheaper for sale in Italy or Italian partshop and in better condition !
For that price it's easy to have a laser steel cut flange part plus expense of a machined toll in 2 parts to form the cone shape ad then to have this wheel furbished with nice black leather !!!!!!
Big interest is to have one done !!!!!!! plus laser cut drawing ready for more and pressforming tooling already payed !!!!
Only inconvenient ; to find motivation to do such work and sourcing subcontractors for that ....... pooooouuuuuufffffffffffffffffff !!!!!
jeffdavison
05-03-2015, 23:32
In 2004 I bought an original Ferrero wheel on eBay. The seller had it listed as a Porsche 914 steering wheel. The final bid which I won was just a tick over $80. USD. If I sold it today at the current bid on the one that's showing now, I'd have to sell my house to pay the capital gains tax ;)
JD
ProtoTipo
06-03-2015, 18:21
£2070.66 !!
I think I sold mine for one third of that. Less the very very rare horn push and the hub.
Stratie.fr
06-03-2015, 18:22
And the winner is...the seller with more £2000 in his pocket now!
Crazy auction for crazy people!!8014
ProtoTipo
06-03-2015, 18:38
There again, it is a part unique to a (now) quarter of a million £ car.
If the sum of the car's parts add up, that is?
Allora#2
06-03-2015, 18:54
shit i lost them my bid was 2850 Euro! :p
Stratie.fr
06-03-2015, 19:12
There again, it is a part unique to a (now) quarter of a million £ car.
If the sum of the car's parts add up, that is?
Sure less 1% of the car price ... But not reasonable for an old steering wheel !!
if the buyer has more money for rebuilding a genuine Stratos he may buy this campagnolo wheel from one 1975 Stradale for sale on Ebay ... Only 6000€!!!
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121584099653
1% ? ;)
I think prototipo is right though and here the combination of the wheel with engraved "Ferrero" signature (rather than stamped), the horn button (also unique to to Stratos?) and hub/boss almost certainly confirm the 'provenance' as original Stratos.
I'm sure you could spend less money recreating an exact replica(s) in new condition (as Gerry has done?) but for some that could never be original and therefore never as valuable.
Madness?!
ProtoTipo
07-03-2015, 09:38
I'm sure you could spend less money recreating an exact replica(s) in new condition (as Gerry has done?) but for some that could never be original and therefore never as valuable.
Exactly.
No matter how exact a replica car or replica car part is, it will never be an original.
Original Stratos cars are now selling at auction for well over £200,000. Any issues of them being laid up for long periods or unsympathetic ownership are secondary to them being complete and the real thing.
Rare 'old' steering wheels for rare 'old' cars.
Having said that, I expected £1,000 to have been enough, but then in all this time, I've never seen an original Stradale horn push on ebay...
Stratie.fr
13-03-2015, 01:29
For sale in Italy
for anyone searching a genuine Sandro Munari steering wheel
http://www.kijiji.it/annunci/ricambi-e-accessori/torino-annunci-torino/lancia-stratos-fulvia-hf-volante-sandro-munari-nuovo/6843146380578058
Cheap bonnet with what looks like correct louvre panels in side advert.
http://www.kijiji.it/annunci/ricambi-e-accessori/torino-annunci-torino/lancia-stratos-cofano-gr4-e-ricambi/67579594
It's not selling price !
The guy want to swap to a stradale bonnet ..; and he is interested to acquire any original part , even damaged chassis or watever "junkyard lancia stratos part "!!!!!!
This is from what I understood doing a "straigth on" traduction of what they are writing on that add !!!
"Italiano non ela mia lingua natale ma lo parlo abbastanza bene":
Italian is not my native language but I speak quite fluent tecnic !
I was always hopeless at languages:(
ProtoTipo
13-03-2015, 17:44
Compare this steering wheel with a genuine period Ferrero Munari signature item;
Note the stamped signature marking, rather than engraved. Also note the lack of countersunk holes, the thickness of the metal, and the new trimming.
ProtoTipo
13-03-2015, 17:55
More marking details:
maxlouis
13-03-2015, 19:52
You're a clever man Mr J - wish I had your 'vigilance' (would have had a much emptier shed...!).
More marking details:
ProtoTipo
14-03-2015, 09:00
You're a clever man Mr J - wish I had your 'vigilance' (would have had a much emptier shed...!).
It's having had one in my hands to study Matt, I wouldn't notice so much without that advantage.
The second best thing I found on ebay. You know the first?
Stratie.fr
14-03-2015, 14:01
Surely an italian handmade reproduction fitted with Momo hub but a pretty good look... And much much cheaper than the original one sold on ebay recently!!!
ProtoTipo
14-03-2015, 15:24
Surely an italian handmade reproduction fitted with Momo hub but a pretty good look... And much much cheaper than the original one sold on ebay recently!!!
That is interesting Frederic.
Especially as I have just spent ages replicating an original Stradale horn button.
Where is this replica Stradale steering wheel? What is the availability?
The MOMO 70mm pcd makes good sense, but a 30 degree shift in the fixing holes would reinforce the Ferrero illusion?
Stratie.fr
14-03-2015, 16:33
That is interesting Frederic.
Especially as I have just spent ages replicating an original Stradale horn button.
Where is this replica Stradale steering wheel? What is the availability?
The MOMO 70mm pcd makes good sense, but a 30 degree shift in the fixing holes would reinforce the Ferrero illusion?
Found by a friend of mine in a shop of italian parts Chris
a pretty good replica but no sure it fits well on an alfa steering column like mine
Only that one available and unfortunately its origin from Italy is unknow!
8065
Are you going to market the horn button Chris? Would be very interested if you are.
ProtoTipo
15-03-2015, 08:44
Are you going to market the horn button Chris? Would be very interested if you are.
Not really Chris, but I might be able to make one for your's too. I'll send you a PM to explain.
Surely an italian handmade reproduction fitted with Momo hub but a pretty good look...
It's not original Stratos (Stradale) but I believe it is original Ferrero, albeit perhaps from a later production run and intended for the 'aftermarket'? I have seen several pictures of these, one on a Fulvia 3 and another retrofitted (presumably) to a genuine Stratos (I wish I could find that picture now).
Apart from the 70mm PCD and the style-ised "FERRERO" logo stamping, the carcass appears to be dimensionally identical and the covering is the same bizarre 'patchwork' of moulded/pressed pieces of leather, glued in place rather than stitched. Have a look at these pictures of the back, early first (75mm PCD) then 'later' (sorry for the poor quality but best I could find):
8072
8073
It seems pretty unlikely to me that a replica would go to these lengths to copy the unseen side. And a replica - surely - would attempt to copy the Ferrero signature, rather than stamping the Ferrero logo?
It is interesting to conjecture that:
these were the idea of a Ferrero marketing-man who had the idea of cashing in on Stratos' success (not sure if there should be 2 apostrophes there)
Lancia made an original order to Ferrero for more than 500 (and something) items and these are the 'recycled' leftovers!
Whatever, I agree that it's an excellent choice for a replica Stratos and that horn button is the cherry on the cake. :cool:
Stratie.fr
15-03-2015, 18:50
It's not original Stratos (Stradale) but I believe it is original Ferrero, albeit perhaps from a later production run and intended for the 'aftermarket'? I have seen several pictures of these, one on a Fulvia 3 and another retrofitted (presumably) to a genuine Stratos (I wish I could find that picture now).
Apart from the 70mm PCD and the style-ised "FERRERO" logo stamping, the carcass appears to be dimensionally identical and the covering is the same bizarre 'patchwork' of moulded/pressed pieces of leather, glued in place rather than stitched. Have a look at these pictures of the back, early first (75mm PCD) then 'later' (sorry for the poor quality but best I could find):
8072
8073
It seems pretty unlikely to me that a replica would go to these lengths to copy the unseen side. And a replica - surely - would attempt to copy the Ferrero signature, rather than stamping the Ferrero logo?
It is interesting to conjecture that:
these were the idea of a Ferrero marketing-man who had the idea of cashing in on Stratos' success (not sure if there should be 2 apostrophes there)
Lancia made an original order to Ferrero for more than 500 (and something) items and these are the 'recycled' leftovers!
Whatever, I agree that it's an excellent choice for a replica Stratos and that horn button is the cherry on the cake. :cool:
Thanks for these further interesting informations...and the good news considering the low price of this "aftermarket" steering wheel!
ProtoTipo
16-03-2015, 09:25
Apart from the 70mm PCD and the style-ised "FERRERO" logo stamping, the carcass appears to be dimensionally identical and the covering is the same bizarre 'patchwork' of moulded/pressed pieces of leather, glued in place rather than stitched. Have a look at these pictures of the back, early first (75mm PCD) then 'later' (sorry for the poor quality but best I could find)
That's a good point David.
The 3 Ferrero wheels that I had were all trimmed in this way.
You'd think they would have got the six bolt holes with 2 holes at the top? At least it's 70mm pcd.
You've sold me on them being genuine Ferrero manufactured wheels, but I've got a feeling they could be rarer than the ones fitted to the homologation run cars?
ProtoTipo
16-03-2015, 09:33
You'd think they would have got the six bolt holes with 2 holes at the top?
And then I find photos of other steering wheels with the bolt holes arranged this way???
http://www.autobelle.it/annunci/public/img-1382377093.jpg
http://s.sbito.it/images/85/8530787328.jpg
Allora#2
16-03-2015, 18:15
Hi guys, is this a real one?
ProtoTipo
06-06-2015, 13:11
Here's another genuine Stradale steering wheel.
The horn push is a rare Ferrero Lancia one, as normally fitted to the works group 4 cars. Wrong horn push for a Stradale wheel, but quite rare and hard to find:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331572154205?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D331572154205%26_rdc%3D1
Allora#2
22-06-2015, 17:02
it looks it's back for sale!
http://www.ebay.it/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-VOLANTE-PELLE-/331588241285?&_trksid=p2056016.m2516.l5255
Guy Mayers
06-09-2015, 10:30
Ferrero Munari steering wheel anyone?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161817157330?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Guy
ProtoTipo
06-09-2015, 11:05
Well spotted Guy.
It's 100% pukka.
ProtoTipo
16-09-2015, 08:46
Ferrero Munari steering wheel anyone?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/161817157330?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Guy
£510 + post. at the end of the auction.
Getting very expensive these day's.
ProtoTipo
24-10-2015, 18:07
Here's the larger diameter (Fulvia) version, with its original box!:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231728325630?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D231728325630%26_rdc%3D1
monoposto
25-10-2015, 18:24
Does Gerry still have the plans for when he made his replicas? I wouldn't mind getting one made for my car at some point and if others wanted one we may be able to do a group buy to make it worth while?
Guy Mayers
25-10-2015, 18:36
drop him an email gerry@hawkcars.co.uk and if he has any/enough interest he'll do another run I'm sure.
Guy
Lancialulu
25-10-2015, 21:38
Put me down for one if a queue is being formed!
Guy Mayers
25-10-2015, 23:11
Sorry Tim, there's no queue forming and Gerry doesn't frequent this forum so unless you call him or email him he won't know that there's demand building up. If you want one then the best thing to do is to get in touch with him but be sat down when he gives you the prices. It won't include a mounting boss or horn push either. And be aware it is the original Stradale style wheel he makes and not the Munari/Fulvia type that lots of people here are posting links to.
Guy
davehanman
27-10-2015, 00:40
Last time I dropped by Gerry's fabricator when he was doing my grIV fuel tanks, there were a load of Stradale center spokes being fabricated for Gerry. Suggest you contact Gerry about a wheel as i am sure they are ready by now
Lancialulu
27-10-2015, 08:12
Sorry Tim, there's no queue forming and Gerry doesn't frequent this forum so unless you call him or email him he won't know that there's demand building up. If you want one then the best thing to do is to get in touch with him but be sat down when he gives you the prices. It won't include a mounting boss or horn push either. And be aware it is the original Stradale style wheel he makes and not the Munari/Fulvia type that lots of people here are posting links to.
Guy
Thanks Guy. Will do. I have been lucky to get the Munari wheel for my 1600HF Fulvia. I say lucky as the prices have certainly shot up......
did original Gp4 cars get issued with standard Stratos wheel or a three spoke momo?
davehanman
27-10-2015, 08:24
Thanks Guy. Will do. I have been lucky to get the Munari wheel for my 1600HF Fulvia. I say lucky as the prices have certainly shot up......
did original Gp4 cars get issued with standard Stratos wheel or a three spoke momo?
The GrIV cars ran with Stradale, "Munari" and also Lancia homologated a very rare wheel called the "Pinto" wheel which had 3 spokes and impossible to find. There were a couple of other wheels too, seemingly Fulvia aftermarket items. All were by Ferrero
Lancialulu
27-10-2015, 10:59
I know the Munari wheel came in (2?) different diameters, the smaller one (330mm?) was more dished than the 360mm which was more dished than the standard Fulvia wheel.
ProtoTipo
27-10-2015, 11:43
Reimund's ex Pim Hawk has the larger two spoke Ferrero:
http://www.stratosec.com/Forum/showthread.php/884-Car-sold/page4
Allora#2
01-04-2016, 09:34
500.- Euro ebay.it
http://www.ebay.it/itm/VOLANTE-LANCIA-FULVIA-COUPE-FERRERO-SANDRO-MUNARI/272192085319?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140423084956%26meid%3D86a3b2e460b34752a98b2f9c8f13526e%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D252336889749
Allora#2
01-04-2016, 14:35
2000.- Euro :(
http://www.ebay.it/itm/Lancia-Stratos-Ferrero-original-Steering-Wheel-Lenkrad-Volante-Volant-rare-/281983759253?hash=item41a78ab395:g:wB4AAOSw~OVWyg9S
Lancialulu
01-04-2016, 16:18
500.- Euro ebay.it
http://www.ebay.it/itm/VOLANTE-LANCIA-FULVIA-COUPE-FERRERO-SANDRO-MUNARI/272192085319?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140423084956%26meid%3D86a3b2e460b34752a98b2f9c8f13526e%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D252336889749
I did not realise this was a Stratos wheel as well. What price for a perfect one????
ProtoTipo
01-04-2016, 17:36
I did not realise this was a Stratos wheel as well. What price for a perfect one????
Strictly speaking Tim, it isn't.
There were two sizes of Munari signature steering wheels. As discussed earlier in this thread.
The larger one (like this) for a Fulvia, and the smaller one used on some works Stratos rally cars in period.
There was a nice example of the smaller (Stratos) diameter one sold on ebay recently for £510. Here:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lancia-HF-steering-wheel-Sandro-Munari-Ferrero-/161817157330?rmvSB=true&afsrc=1&_trksid=p2047675.l2557&clk_rvr_id=1007851782606&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=CacGv%252BRq2Aq40IT40zOpAVtJSm8%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
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