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ProtoTipo
27-09-2015, 12:33
Lister Bell STR:
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C663584

Strat Fan
27-09-2015, 14:40
Offered for sale by the same man who bought/owns Iain Goslings Hawk replica.

Guy Mayers
27-09-2015, 16:36
Did he sell that one for profit too?

tomsredstratos
27-09-2015, 17:00
037 In the same auction

http://www.stanislasmachoir.com/flash/index.jsp?id=23088&idCp=341&lng=fr

Tom

tomsredstratos
27-09-2015, 17:06
Just looked through the catalogue and there is about 10 cars and bikes I would like in that auction.......and still no lottery win this weekend :confused:

Tom.

Strat Fan
27-09-2015, 17:37
Did he sell that one for profit too?
It was in his possession for quite a while, I do not know if he has sold it but it appeared on the Lancia Stratos page on Facebook recently with someone elses name on the door.
8810
There a few other pictures on the post from September 13th, it appears to have the Tour de Corse Historique event sticker on the door.

LM mic
27-09-2015, 17:59
If I understand the 254 car is an Hawk ???
How could he have entered her on the tour de corse historic ? or It was just for fun with fake door sticker ?
To my knowledge kit cars are not allowed in France for racing in Historic races ( No Fia HTP papers .... ) or .... am missing something ????:rolleyes:

john
10-10-2015, 22:24
I don't like the wording of the advert for the ListerBell car.
Smacks of deception to me.
Am I being too harsh?

LM mic
11-10-2015, 07:08
Yes John ...I agree with you ;
This seller seems to introduce some confusion about the use of the car beside the fact he write that is a"modern car" and drives much more easy and comfortable than the old GRIV he argue tha it can be used on Rallye giving the name of an French historic rallye ( on test ??????) and we all know that it's impossible .... so may be big confusion for readers that want to know where they can use that sort of
cars ( say modern replica's) Specially in France where the first question any onethere is asking ; can you race her ? can you homologate her ? etc etc

ProtoTipo
11-10-2015, 09:19
I have little sympathy for any speculators who may be drawn in by misinformation.
A proper enthusiast, would know what he/she was looking at.

The sooner people stop seeing old cars purely as investments, the better.

Stratie.fr
11-10-2015, 10:50
The ex Gosling car owner is surely the auctionner of this sale in Allianz Riviera arena
he live in Toulouse and I met him during a previous sale in his Castle
He is a old sport car collector ...but maybe also a speculator !
not very clear and a bit confusion with informations about cars for sale!

john
11-10-2015, 15:08
I can't agree with you exactly there Chris. For sure the old "buyer beware", "caveat emptor" should always apply through common sense when parting with your hard earned.
But when a seller deliberately, or even innocently, misleads by his representation of what is for sale I have to come down squarely against that.
Quite definitely my current viewpoint on this is tinted from more that three and a half years now of trying to sort out a mess caused by just that kind of misrepresentation....
It has been said to me recently that something is worth "whatever the buyer is prepared to pay". Yes. But when the buyer thinks he is buying something because he's seen it described as something , then when it actually turns out to BE something ELSE then he's been conned. No excuses. Especially when the seller damn well should know it was something else in the first place!

john
11-10-2015, 15:16
My big issue on the advert above is that the only time the word replica is used in the ad, it's preceded by the words "is not".
And I dont think much is getting lost in the translation.

hedge
11-10-2015, 19:23
Is it just me or is the only reference to the car being a Lister Bell being the chassis number? (LBSTR11AR30MC0007) That being the case, why would the ad not state who it was actually made by? Bit odd.

Cheers,
Hedge.

ProtoTipo
12-10-2015, 09:22
Not specifically with the LB kit car here. The description for this LB is a bit iffy, I agree.

What I mean is, generally:
Some people are paying what it takes to secure 'blue chip' classic cars.
They only know 100% what they're getting into because someone advised them, and it's in the blurb.
They have no intention of using them.
The price of everything else remotely interesting is dragged up accordingly.
Now the types of cars, some of us used to own, or might like to own are way out of our reach.

If people can afford to buy the cars they've always wanted, that fine.
I hate it when collectable cars are bought just as investments and not because of a genuine interest. If some of the latter get caught out here and there because of their ignorance, I'm not going to loose any sleep.

john
12-10-2015, 17:45
Oh well I can agree with all of that wholeheartedly.
My issue is sellers misleading descriptions.
Let's face it Ebay is absolutely rife with it and their disputes resolution procedures very busy because of it. I would not go near some items on eBay because of instantly recognisable "iffy" descriptions. Even if I was really interested in the item for sale.
But, when it comes down to this level of sale, value, and specialisation, then I think descriptions which seem to deliberately avoid giving a full and detailed description of what the item actually is smacks of deception if not downright dishonesty.

ProtoTipo
13-10-2015, 09:16
But, when it comes down to this level of sale, value, and specialisation, then I think descriptions which seem to deliberately avoid giving a full and detailed description of what the item actually is smacks of deception if not downright dishonesty.

You'd think in this case, the auctioneers would see that the description was all above board?
It's in their interests to?

john
13-10-2015, 11:33
I think it is the auctioneer who owns the car?

Bernard
13-10-2015, 12:14
when you look at lot 185 he chooses to use the word "replica"...........

Stratie.fr
13-10-2015, 18:03
I think it is the auctioneer who owns the car?


You're fully right John
the auctioneer owns this LB

In pic here on last historic Tour de Corse
I don't know how he was authorized to use a replica for this race?!
I think he is friend with the organizer Yves Loubet (former rally driver)

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/2015/10/08/un-beau-musee-roulant-sur-le-tour-de-corse-historique-2015-171461.html

ProtoTipo
13-10-2015, 18:10
I think it is the auctioneer who owns the car?

Oh right.
It gets worse?

john
13-10-2015, 19:10
Indeed Frederic. Perhaps a case of "it is who you know, not what you know that counts"?

Guy Mayers
13-10-2015, 19:28
The precedent has been set! Get your entries in for next years events!

Strat Fan
13-10-2015, 21:02
The ex Iain Gosling car shown on page 1 of this thread was entered by the same person on the 2014 version of this event, Car number 254.

LM mic
13-10-2015, 21:16
Organiser probably introduced a new category named "friends Replica's" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For sure I will immediatly send some request to enter 5or 6 of us ( including my last year german replica !!!) for 2016 edition
Who's first ?
I will organise all; big F1 truck ,lot of skilled mecanics and hostesses ( from Pirelli if possible) and Corsica wine at every stop : LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Stratie.fr
13-10-2015, 21:38
Indeed Frederic. Perhaps a case of "it is who you know, not what you know that counts"?


For sure ...and maybe "the bank account you have"

As Honoré de Balzac said " Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught "

john
14-10-2015, 07:31
Ha ha! Indeed yes Frederic. We know all about that, don't we?!

Stratie.fr
14-10-2015, 16:22
Always in French Riviera... another one LB for sale
this one surely famous here!

http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/850571212.htm

ProtoTipo
14-10-2015, 16:56
Always in French Riviera... another one LB for sale
this one surely famous here!

About £63k.

Stratie.fr
14-10-2015, 17:40
About £63k.

Take a lottery ticket for buying this one and another on auction in same time ;)

LM mic
14-10-2015, 19:40
Is far cheaper to take a number on LB production batch !! LOL

Stratie.fr
14-10-2015, 19:49
Is far cheaper to take a number on LB production batch !! LOL


For sure... But in this case, some patience is needed! Isn'it?

LM mic
14-10-2015, 20:08
For sure... But in this case, some patience is needed! Isn'it?

Hoooooooooooooooooooooo "que" Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss !!!;):o:rolleyes:

But as they say , so far .......so good !!!!! :cool:

tomsredstratos
24-10-2015, 00:12
Seems to have sold

http://www.stanislasmachoir.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=5311183&np=1&lng=en&npp=150&ordre=&aff=&sold=&r=

Tom.

john
24-10-2015, 09:38
£57.5k at today's rate.
Not bad and exactly mid point in the auction estimate.

Lancialulu
15-01-2016, 22:34
Another freshly minted....

http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/909291047.htm?ca=13_s

ProtoTipo
16-01-2016, 09:59
Another freshly minted....

http://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/909291047.htm?ca=13_s

I don't know what's for sale, but the car in the photo is an original group 4 Stratos. As seen at the 2011 Rallylegend, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGgY1o-Z-A

ProtoTipo
16-01-2016, 10:02
Here it is again:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/40574212@N07/6227239557

john
16-01-2016, 11:55
Surely not more confusion on what is actually for sale................??

strat24v
16-01-2016, 20:36
I don't know what's for sale, but the car in the photo is an original group 4 Stratos. As seen at the 2011 Rallylegend, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFGgY1o-Z-A
Micheal Stoscheks original stratos.

ProtoTipo
17-01-2016, 09:13
Micheal Stoscheks original stratos.

Yes John, that's the one in the photo, so you're not buying that for €80k with an Alfa engine?

strat24v
17-01-2016, 10:39
I think the actual car for sale will be that marlboro Hawk that was owned by a previous member here. Ian ???????
Bit of mis representation going on in that advert.

Yes John, that's the one in the photo, so you're not buying that for €80k with an Alfa engine?

ProtoTipo
17-01-2016, 12:12
I think the actual car for sale will be that marlboro Hawk that was owned by a previous member here. Ian ???????
Bit of mis representation going on in that advert.

Iain Gosling's old car, as in Craig's photo and post on the first page of this thread.