Door lock embuggeration

[ChrisCar6]

Some low life tried to force the driver's door lock at the show this weekend. Door now can't be opened from outside or in, the keyhole section is pushed in, neither the inside knob or handle will move. I can't get the door card off because of the door bar obstructing one screw and preventing it being pulled inwards.
I'll take the passenger door apart to see what I can do to try to release the catch.
Getting in to the drivers seat through the passenger door is "interesting"!

[strat24v]

If you have a spare door handle available, with the fitted one, could you not hold that one out and drill a big hole with a hole saw through the back plastic moulding?, that way you could access the mechanism?

[ChrisCar6]

Managed to get it open with a lot of struggle and some polishing required to the door paintwork. The 'piston' that the handle pushes in that pushes the catch lever over had over-ridden the lever preventing it moving and holding the lock depressed. Needs further investigation to check if it is still usable.
We were publicising the need to get the Jim Clark Rally back on closed roads - there has been a long wait for the legal inquiry to produce its report, and the Council won't sanction it running until the report and its recommendations are out. ( There were 3 spectator fatalities in 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-27678234 ) so we had our local MP and two MSPs publicising it. I had our SNP MP in my passenger seat - better for his street cred than mine!

[The Slug]

What event was this Chris?

[ChrisCar6]

Border Union Show at Kelso.
next biggest show in Scotland after the Royal Highland Show.

[LM mic]

Woowwwwwww ! you where lucky and brave not to heve to destroy half a door !!:mad:
Could you post a pic showing that strange position ? Thanks
Do you think there is something to do to prevent some other same issue ????? some stop bracket or watever trick ?

[ChrisCar6]

I hope these pictures explain it. I can't see a modification to prevent it. I think the b****** had flexed the plastic handle mounting enough to flip the lobe over the end of the lever.There is not much overlap in my door.
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[ChrisCar6]

This is the cam on the end of the lock barrel. It is held with a roll pin, which in my case the b****** has sheared in their attempts to force the lock.

[ProtoTipo]

the b****** has sheared in their attempts to force the lock.

Effin bar stewards!

What time of day did this happen Chris?

[LM mic]

Many thanks Chris for these pics and informations !!

[Bernard]

Similar subject..... I remember years ago Kevin Brown (he had the Vauxhall "Bronze" Car which I haven't seen in years) had his rear clam open for people to see the engine bay....... some low life forced 2 x 2pence pieces between the cam wheels and belt on a twink... so whichever way the engine started it would ride the belt over the cam wheel..... fortunately he spotted it before starting the engine.... what some people do never ceases to amaze me

Complete and utter Bast**ds

[ChrisCar6]

Effin bar stewards!

What time of day did this happen Chris?

Not sure - I found it after the car had been on the stand for36 hours. There was somebody sleeping beside the display as well as onsite security so who knows.

[Stratie.fr]

Sorry for your trouble :(
That's the problem with cars like ours...Some jealous or bad people to do that specially if the car is parked a long time!
I'm worried for mine because no keys then I bought new locks with keys but they don't work perfectly and doors can be opened with force...in any way those kind of Ba....ds are able to break windows for stealing inside!
Also I empty the cockpit each time I leave the car outside!

[davehanman]

This is the cam on the end of the lock barrel. It is held with a roll pin, which in my case the b****** has sheared in their attempts to force the lock.

On my original car, there is a tiny plate welded to the end of the lever (where you've circled it), where the lobe has ridden over, hard to explain but it effectively makes the lever thicker. David

[ChrisCar6]

New door locks if you need to get matching keys http://shop.x19spares.co.uk/fiat-x19-door-lock-set-2-locks--2-keys-621-p.asp

[ChrisCar6]

The lock barrel is held in place by the spring's two tangs that go into the two lower slots in the barrel - the end slot is where the roll pin that retains the cam goes.
The tumblers that the key retracts can be seen sticking out in the locked position. Replacement locks are available too cheaply to be worth dismantling the barrel to change the key configuration.
Mine is steeping in alcohol to clean up and degrease before reassembly. I am not wasting a good malt on this; meths will do!

[Guy Mayers]

If you want matching barrels it's possible Chris - dismantle the non matching lock by removing the tumblers that are proud and move them to the other non matching slots until you get the best match of flush tumblers with the key in the lock. Some you can probably get completely flush but those you can't just file down flush with the barrrel with the key inserted. Once the key is removed the remaining parts of the tumblers should pop out to lock the handle.

Guy

[Rotor1]

This is excellent information guys, (pun intended)��! I received my new (old) door locks yesterday, one with a key and one without, and was wondering about disassembly and matching for the two locks. The came from Midwest Bayless. I will post a pic of the collection thus far in another thread. Thanks

Henry

[Guy Mayers]

Just be careful disassembling the locks Henry - when new they move freely and removing the key without your fingers over the tumblers can result in them flying across the workshop swiftly followed by the little springs! And you never find all the little bits or step on a spring.....

Yes, speaking from experience.........

Guy

[Rotor1]

Ok, when performing that procedure I will do it with my hands in a transparent plastic bag. Just in case!

Henry

[LM mic]

Similar subject..... I remember years ago Kevin Brown (he had the Vauxhall "Bronze" Car which I haven't seen in years) had his rear clam open for people to see the engine bay....... some low life forced 2 x 2pence pieces between the cam wheels and belt on a twink... so whichever way the engine started it would ride the belt over the cam wheel..... fortunately he spotted it before starting the engine.... what some people do never ceases to amaze me

Complete and utter Bast**ds

This remind me a less "funny" story
Years ago when I was involved in building nice small biplace chopper ( helicopter) we had in Italy some travel to an aeronotic show where these ultralight heli where on show and in demonstration ;
on a specific brand stand there was a lot of people and very crowdy all around the choppers touching everything so the owner upset decided in order to make one of these out of all this crowd to do a demonstration so he pushed forward the heli in the test area and started the engine and rotor and flyed up about 5/8 meter but suddenly the rear small rotor exploded and the heli was down !! completly smached and destroy , by chance the guy was safe !!!! some days after we had a phone call from this poor friend and he explained that after doing an accurate inquiry with Italian police they found inside of one rear blade rotor ( that was smatched and twisted) one metallic pencil !!!!!!( blades where aluminium foil bended to shape but open on one side !!!
The rotor exploded because of unbalanced ( mandatory balance was 3/5gr tolerances)
Public , crowd and one stupid guy with a pencil ( lost or .. not !!) and one nice heli destroyed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By chance nobody was killed or hurted !!!

[Stratos Fear]

Sadly a lesson for us all when putting our cars on public display !