PDA

View Full Version : Just placed my deposit for a Lister Bell STR



GerryA
20-06-2018, 01:04
Plan to build the car myself with (most likely) 3.2 Alfa V6 and probably the 2.5 gearbox but with Quaife diff.
Any suggestions as to best way to source the engine and ancillaries greatly appreciated.
GerryA
PS still can't decide on square v round arches?

STR_Strat
20-06-2018, 07:42
Welcome to the gang Gerry, pm me if you want to take a look at a part build in Oxfordshire.

Dave

GrahamH
20-06-2018, 09:37
Welcome Gerry, frustrating wait and then the fun build. Personal preference on the arches and depends on if your doing a period paint scheme and car. I originally wanted the square arch and the rear clam was made incorrectly with round arch. Hindsight I much prefer the round arch which makes it look more like an intended arch rather than add on. But the square do look the part and iterate the purposefulness of the car in its concept as a pure bred rally car.

Guy Mayers
20-06-2018, 14:27
Welcome to the club, you'll find all the advice you need here and from Craig. On engines I've always recommended getting a complete running vehicle so that you can check the integrity of the mechanical and electrical components you need for the build. Running the donor for a few months will tell you all you need to know plus you'll need a registartation document from the donor to get an age related registration number. That alone may decide your choice of which engine!
Guy

GerryA
20-06-2018, 14:27
Thx Graham
I have always preferred the sq arch for the reasons you mention but seeing more cars in the flesh I am leaning to round. I've got plenty of time to agonise over the decision whilst I wait for the kit.

GerryA
20-06-2018, 14:29
Thx Guy
Good advice
On the limited ebay searching I have done it looks like 3.2 donors are quite expensive!

GerryA
20-06-2018, 14:33
I'm based near Banbury also so may well take you up on your kind offer Dave. How far advanced is the build? are you also building an STR?

Stratos Fear
20-06-2018, 17:33
On the limited ebay searching I have done it looks like 3.2 donors are quite expensive!

- and becoming more collectable by the day! The Toyota engine also an option of course (but sadly not Italian !)

Guy Mayers
20-06-2018, 19:33
Thx Guy
Good advice
On the limited ebay searching I have done it looks like 3.2 donors are quite expensive!

Anything with a Busso V6 is becoming expensive especially if it's still a viable road car. Best sources now are probably GTV Coupe, Alfa 166 in 2.5 or 3.0 V6 or the 156 in 2.5 V6.

On body styles I've had Stradale, Square Arch and am now trying to build a Round Arch. Favourite is definitely the Square Arch, it's the most aggressive look and, to my mind, there's something odd about the round arch seen on the road from behind, they look like they're crabbing down the road.

Whichever style you pick can I suggest that some research is needed, if you pick a rally scheme for a specific car/event (try not to pick one that's already been done!) then pick the body style that's appropriate.

Guy

GerryA
20-06-2018, 23:45
Thx again Guy
I'm really keen on the 3.2l so it looks like it might be expensive :-(
I have an idea for the colour/paint scheme based on the Alitalia car so I guess that means sq arches

Guy Mayers
21-06-2018, 00:02
Alitalia is more usually associated with round arches Gerry. Some stradale cars also used that style on Scandinavian rallies with narrow snow tyres...

Guy Mayers
21-06-2018, 00:09
Potential donors with a 3.2 Busso..
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-GT-3-2-v6-24v/153065554644?hash=item23a36b02d4:g:zOsAAOSwbsRa4cCJ

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Alfa-Romeo-GT-3-2-V6/253695096344?hash=item3b1167f618:g:IQ0AAOSw3FBbHY4E

But expect prices to rise...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201805106378284?model=GT&make=ALFA%20ROMEO&advertising-location=at_cars&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=sponsored&fuel-type=Petrol&maximum-badge-engine-size=3.5&postcode=ls82bq&radius=1500&page=2

Guy

ProtoTipo
21-06-2018, 08:46
Alitalia is more usually associated with round arches Gerry. Some stradale cars also used that style on Scandinavian rallies with narrow snow tyres...

I like the last (1977 Square arch) version of the Alitalia colour scheme with the tall 'A' logo on the side and the larger 'Alitalia' lettering on the rear wing.
Like the photo of the 1977 RAC car at the top of this forum page.

GerryA
21-06-2018, 23:43
That's the scheme I am thinking of

ProtoTipo
22-06-2018, 11:26
Alitalia is more usually associated with round arches Gerry.

Yep, the only other 1977 works car I can see with square arches is the Pinto car from the Tour De Corse.
Munari's car on the same event had round arches, so it shows how short lived the square arched Alitalia version was.
The roof scoop shows up at around the same time.