Pirelli Hawk for Sale

[ProtoTipo]

Ex Denys Jones, Richard Craig and Mark from near Selby who's surname I can't remember at this time in the morning: (it might be 'Thorley'?)

Hawk in Pirelli colours (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-SUPERB-BUILD-ULTRA-RARE-ONLY-ONE-FOR-SALE/324478963129?hash=item4b8c740db9:g:8-gAAOSwRJNgIILg)

[Stratie.fr]

Very nice Hawk! Which engine is powered? 3.0 24v?

[ProtoTipo]

Very nice Hawk! Which engine is powered? 3.0 24v?

12v Frederic.

[Strat Fan]

Very nice Hawk! Which engine is powered? 3.0 24v?
It's a 2418cc according according to the registration document......:rolleyes:
Also says its a 1979 Lancia on the V5
This could of course help a registration in Europe?

[Stratie.fr]

It's a 2418cc according according to the registration document......:rolleyes:
Also says its a 1979 Lancia on the V5
This could of course help a registration in Europe?

Yes with one 1979 V5 it’s possible to obtain EU registration easily!

[Stratie.fr]

12v Frederic.

Thanks Chris! I didn’t read the entire AD...a pity the Dino engine was removed in the past... with its 1979 V5 this car would be much more valuable :cool:

[john]

Thank goodness it's not the usual put together amateur kit....
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[Stratie.fr]

Thank goodness it's not the usual put together amateur kit....
.

For sure could be tempted to buy for LHD converting and replacing with 3.2 engine:rolleyes:..Oops forget I got one in order!!;)

[Guy Mayers]

It's perfectly feasable to convert this car to LHD should the new owner want to go that route but the work involved isn't straight forward involving a new dash, pedal assembly, centre tunnel, rear bulkhead (unless it's fully flat - can't remember!), seats moving slightly across the floorpan and upper seat belt mounts repositioning. A new steering rack will be needed and also moving slightly across it's mountings. If anyone considers going that route I'd suggest a change of dash style to Group 4 would be worthwhile.

In terms of registration the logbook may say Lancia but if it's still described as a Beta that may cause issues. It'll certainly need to be updated to reflect the new engine number and capacity and I suggest that's the vendor's responsibility to deal with before it's sold on.

Caveat Emptor!

Going to watch this one, I suspect that it'll sell quickly, it ought to be UK road tax exempt now too. It may also be one that could be imported direct to the USA due to age of registration?
Guy

[LPH_UK]

What does 'The gearbox also checked and everything done to the highest of standards,and is mated to a Ferrari 250 Gto drivetrain/gearchange' mean??

[Guy Mayers]

The gear change quadrant is a Ferrari one. Not sure if it's 250GTO but if I saw picture of it I could compare it to the mental picture I have from 20 minutes as a passenger at Aintree eace circuit back in 1995 in Steve Pilkington's 1963 250 GTO...

Name dropping? Moi?

Believe YBL2T is still registered as a Lancia Beta. It may need an IVA test if an MOT tester gets picky?

Guy

[ProtoTipo]

As seen at a Garage Day, 9 years ago. NINE YEARS?!!
Scroll down... (https://www.stratosec.com/Forum/showthread.php/647-Garage-day/page6)

[Normb666]

9 years, but none of you look a day older than...ummm.... old people :)

[Longtimefan]

Nehe Norm, Richard has the neck and the hair cut of an 18 year old, and the s-d still looks like that!!!! 9 Years ago he probably was 18.

[colleyv12]

I don't get it, every kit car with incorrect v5 has people jumping up and down about it being incorrect. My car has a lancia beta v5, purely because that's the donors.

Why is this one different, I know thre was an amnesty about incorrect registrations, but as stated before, there's no proof this has ever had sva or iva.

[john]

I don't get it, every kit car with incorrect v5 has people jumping up and down about it being incorrect. My car has a lancia beta v5, purely because that's the donors.

Why is this one different,

I don't think it is different Steve. We dont know if it says Beta on the V5 do we?
The advertiser states it says Lancia on the V5. That's not strictly true is it? As we know it was common for kit cars to end up with the same ID as the donor. Others ( my Allora certainly) states Allora on the V5.
The amnesty intention was to make sure cars were correctly described without having to go through test.
Doesn't look like this one was corrected.
But if its going to end up abroad it doesn't really matter.

[Normb666]

Robin, the neck Richard has is made of brass :) :)

Steve, I don't understand that either. It's gone all this time registered as it is so what's the problem? Was actually speaking to Richard today and he told me there's some sort of official letter with the car that confirms it's registered correctly... so I guess all those worries are moot in this case! Anyway, what're the chances of any policeman or other official person knowing what a Lancia Beta looks like, and something Stratos-shaped ain't it?

[john]

That's true Norm. It shouldn't actually matter if it was staying in the UK either. Let's face it, when you take a Stratos rep in for MOT the guys in the station are more interested in the car than the description on their screen.
I think you'd have to encounter a right jobsworth for it to be raised as an issue.
As the cars are also usually insured by specialists then az long as you tell them you are insuring a Stratos replica then it shouldn't be an issue.
One caveat on that though, if you have a big claim and the underwriters get involved, if the car is clearly not described correctlyon the V5, then it might be an issue.

[Guy Mayers]

The potential issue for the car is that it may not be correctly registered. My car was "incorrectly registered" and I put it through the amnesty back in the day and managed to retain the age related plate and date of first registration. The description on the logbook changed from Lancia Beta Coupe to Hawk HF3000.
This car has continuous history from the 1980's in it's current form, carries the correct (donor) chassis number but didn't go through the amnesty and hasn't been through the SVA/IVA test. As such there is a risk to any prospective owner of a refusal of an MOT test (because it's not a Lancia Beta) but there is also a risk as the registration document doesn't disclose the correct engine number. So what's the result of any refusal? I suspect loss of the entitlement to the current registration and need to be presented for an IVA test in a form that it'll pass and will almost certainly end up with a "Q" plate. This might restrict it's saleability outside the UK depending on it's declared date of first registration? This is the worst case scenario I see. Which rarely comes to pass but for a sale outside the Uk with the need to satisfy local registration requirements I can't comment on. Hence Caveat Emptor!
Guy

[Normb666]

Caveat Emptor indeed, but that's true when buying any car that's been put together by some unknown person :)

I have great faith in the general inertia and uselessness of government bodies, staffed as they are by underpaid, overworked and unmotivated peeps. So stuff such as what it's called on the V5 isn't that big a deal for me, so long as the chassis and engine numbers match. And a V5 is all about uniquely identifying a particular car, so it's Job Done. I do get that others might be worried about these things, but being at the age that I am, I've got bigger fish to fry (if I was any good at cooking, anyway) and my time seems to be mainly occupied by doing this Internet stuff and generally doing enjoyable things as far as poss, which as a pensioner is as it should be ;)

That's not to say you shouldn't go into these purchases with your eyes closed, but y'know....keep a sense of perspective!

[colleyv12]

Well seller confirmed it is lancia beta, with engine number and donor chassis number, no different to me not bothering with iva and just using the donor info.

[ProtoTipo]

£109, 950 now (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-SUPERB-BUILD-ULTRA-RARE-ONLY-ONE-FOR-SALE/324480494148?hash=item4b8c8b6a44:g:HuUAAOSwryBgImqU)

[Stratie.fr]

Wow that’s a big rise in one day...:p

[Stratos Fear]

That's one helluva price hike ! He must have been knocked over by prospective customers rushing to buy it !

[Longtimefan]

Bl----y ell, I've just had to sit down in a darkened room !!!!!

[Strat Fan]

Yes, but it is 99.9% authentic and originals are 500k plus......
What would it cost to build a GTO tech or Marchesi based steel tub car with an actual Dino engine? £120k plus?

[Guy Mayers]

Yes, but it is 99.9% authentic and originals are 500k plus......


Care to put a price on mine Craig?

[john]

No longer available now.
Was there anywhere in the photos or description which actually identified what engine was fitted in this car?

[Strat Fan]

Care to put a price on mine Craig?

I was merely quoting his newest listing rather than trying to make a point.
I'm clearly not the person to ask about pricing as this already double what I'd have thought for the spec.
It looks tidy for sure and the interior looks good but showing a picture of a rusting GAZ damper and claiming they are the business in suspension is a bit ott.

[Normb666]

It's now a new ad without pictures (car being prepared for sale, it says). I guess this is because it's a bit naughty to hike the price of an advertised car like that, so just pull the original listing and do another one.

I think it's well OTT meself, after all it's not a new build - I've not seen it, although some on here have, but I reckon it was already pushing it at the previous price. I know I've gone on about values before and this is proof of what I was saying, that a decent Strat rep is worth a whole hill of beans these days, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with this one.

I assume no-one on here will be buying it, not after seeing what it was advertised for previously....but you could always make a cheeky offer, if he's cheeky enough to raise the asking price by about 60% ;)

[Guy Mayers]

No longer available now.
Was there anywhere in the photos or description which actually identified what engine was fitted in this car?

Relisted here John, item description says it's 12v 3.0 V6.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-SUPERB-BUILD-ULTRA-RARE-ONLY-ONE-FOR-SALE/324480494148?hash=item4b8c8b6a44:g:HuUAAOSwryBgImqU

I asume photos to follow!
Guy

[Bernard]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-SUPERB-BUILD-ULTRA-RARE-ONLY-ONE-FOR-SALE/324480494148?hash=item4b8c8b6a44:g:HuUAAOSwryBgImqU

Price now £109 950.00..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Normb666]

Value of yours, Guy? Well, as you know, provenance can have a big effect on price, so..... ;) :-P

[Guy Mayers]

Value of yours, Guy? Well, as you know, provenance can have a big effect on price, so..... ;) :-P

All a little tongue in cheek but last year Frederic said he could probably line me up with a French buyer at around €150k... I might have been tempted if the second car had been finished and sold because it might have allowed me to build a steel chassied replica with a Dino motor. But I don't think there would be much change from the sale proceeds of two cars once finished. If any.

Guy

[renmure]

Imagine how high it would go with new ITB's
Jus' sayin'


:p

[Normb666]

I was only half-joking about the provenance. It's generally accepted that yours is one of, if not the, best Hawks around, so its value would be well above average. However, it could well be worth less in the hands of a subsequent owner, because then it's not "the Guy Mayers Hawk", it's "the EX-Guy Mayers Hawk" and who knows what's happened to it since it was yours?

I'd suggest this particular car discussed here doesn't have anything like such a distinguished pedigree and if yours realised £150K, this was more realistic at its original price.

Whatever price it eventually realises, it should be heartening to all current owners, no matter the condition of their cars, as they're ALL worth something!

As for being lined up with a French connection....hmmm.... smacks a little of the old "honey trap".... I've seen those films :)

[john]

I see.
Blimey, apparently it would be worth 140-170 k as a lhd.
Tell you what pal, I'll convert it for you for £20k.

[john]

Imagine how high it would go with new ITB's
Jus' sayin'


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[Stratie.fr]

...Much more for this another Pirelli Hawk with EU registration still for sale in Andorra :p

Already discussed on the forum but a more realistic price would be around 100-150k€ with correct registration!

https://www.classiccarsandorra.com/lancia-stratos

[Longtimefan]

?I'd suggest this particular car discussed here doesn't have anything like such a distinguished pedigree :)

No it has had an under 21 year old owner in the past??!!!!

[Normb666]

Oh yeah, Robin, that'd bring the price down another £20K at least ;) Mind you, he's not learned anything from the experience - he's got a green one now....

As for the one mentioned by Frederic earlier - is the seller having a laugh?? It's plainly a kit replica, no way can it be a 1972 car (forgetting that the real thing didn't appear till 1973...), and it's running a 2.5 Alfa motor. 245000 euros. I can't understand why it's not sold (that's sarcasm, by the way)

[Karnevil]

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1308861?fbclid=IwAR0-99c6bj4YGdAy8I2jtTMsDadkW0dSnjx_mxg2-uGqt-vsFb9m4eMc0IY

Made it onto Car and Classics now.
Terrible write up!

[ah_sprite]

Sorry I've taken so long to reply to this... since seeing it, I've been in shock :p Blimey, and to think I'd done well when I sold it 7 or 8 years ago for a third of the current asking price!

The description on the advert is a badly-butchered version of the advert I wrote back when I sold it, a lot of the information is therefore now incorrect. He mentions it having the Ferrari gear gate - this isn't the case now as I'm pretty sure it's been fitted with a LB cable change. The gearchange arrangement that was fitted to the car when I had it was very much a compromise and never really worked as well as I wanted it to - it let the car down somewhat... the gear gate looked great, mind!

The car was really nicely screwed together which is what appealed to me at the time. Regarding registration, IIRC the car had been inspected by the DVLA and/or the police in the 1990s at some point, and there was some supporting documentation stating exactly what the car was and that they were happy with the way it was registered, and it was allowed to retain its original reg. From an overseas sale point of view, this is probably the best case scenario for being able to get it registered more easily - and buyers will pay over the odds for that!

The way things are on the classic/kit car market at the moment, I think someone will pay somewhere in between the original advertised price and the sale price - although having said that, viewing the car in the current climate, particularly for overseas buyers, will be tricky!

A pic from when I had the car, taking part in the Monte Classique:

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[Normb666]

That's interesting. I wondered what all that "250GTO gearchange" blarney was all about, so now it's obvious the seller doesn't have a clue and he's just bunged a price on i and is hoping for the best. The registration says it all..."YBL - You'll Be Lucky" :) :)

[renmure]

That's interesting. I wondered what all that "250GTO gearchange" blarney was all about, so now it's obvious the seller doesn't have a clue and he's just bunged a price on i and is hoping for the best. The registration says it all..."YBL - You'll Be Lucky" :) :)

Worth every penny.
I've seen the ad for the £150k LB so the market is moving ever upwards.

[Normb666]

Worth every penny of £55K, sure! ;)

It's got a gearlever that's obviously out of something else, a set of rusty GAZ shocks, and a 12V Alfa motor. Now if it had a set of Nitrons or similar, a properly-modified lever that looked like it belonged there, and a 24V motor, then yeah, maybe the original asking price of £69K. And if it had its "original" Dino motor, a lot more....but as it stands, it doesn't matter how well built it is, that was 20-odd years ago and it doesn't appear to have been cared for since Richard had it.
You never know, someone might just come along and pay over £100K for it. But I can't see that person being one who knows anything about Strat reps.

Haven't seen the £150K LB, where's that? Got a link? Assume it's the 24-ct gold-plated one that Craig did for the Sultan of Brunei when he was a bit hard up, and couldn't quite stretch to an original motor? :)

[Guy Mayers]

I think the value of these cars is in the ability to register them in the EU still persists. Once that door shuts the prices will drop I'm sure. This car also has value in that it can be converted to LHD relatively easily compared to later Hawks. It's age may also make it easier to export to the USA? As with anything, it's what any potential buyer is willing to pay and how many are available at any point in time. Wait and see I think but I guess the seller got so much interest at the original price that they've decided to see how much they can get for it.
Guy

[Normb666]

I agree with everything just said, and if someone thinks it's worth that, then they'll buy it. But I'm looking at it from the point of view of us cynical SEC bums, who also happen to know he was originally asking £69K ;)

[Guy Mayers]

£69,950 Norm.... Makes all the difference!

[Normb666]

Sorry, was pre-applying the club discount.... ;)

[Guy Mayers]

Club discount now properly applied.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-SUPERB-BUILD-ULTRA-RARE-ONLY-ONE-FOR-SALE/324480494148?hash=item4b8c8b6a44:g:mdEAAOSw7GpgIqhE

Guy

[Normb666]

I'm sure there's a little more wiggle room in there yet. Maybe showing him the original asking price might help in that regard? ;)

[Guy Mayers]

Wiggle Wiggle

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-HAWK-BUILD-BASED-ULTRA-RARE-INCREDIBLE-CAR/324516644774?hash=item4b8eb307a6:g:ZRMAAOSwlYtgSf23

Soon it'll be under the initial listing price....

[Normb666]

According to the advert, it was sold on Monday but the buyer couldn't raise the funds. So if it's so "in demand", why drop the price again?

Guy, you could be right - it'll soon be back down where it started....!

[Bernard]

Also he must have a fair bit of money invested in the car... lowering the price as he has been doing smacks of the realisation its not worth what he advertised it for OR... he is desperate for the cash !...

[Normb666]

If he was originally happy with £69K, then (finger in the air here) I assume he paid about £50-55K? That's enough if it's his own money, but if it's borrowed money like a lot of small dealers use, he'll have to service that debt. Multiply that by however many cars he's got in stock and it soon adds up!
Might also be a case of bad timing. If, as someone said in another thread, EU countries are now adding VAT at 20% plus import duties, it could be killing any cars coming from Britain (for now, anyway). That money on top of purchase price, plus shipping, plus LHD conversion, plus registration....bloody L, buy a local 911 GT3 or a Yaris GR instead!

[Guy Mayers]

Another price drop... Getting much closer to the original listing!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-HAWK-BUILD-BASED-ULTRA-RARE-INCREDIBLE-CAR/324516644774?hash=item4b8eb307a6:g:ZRMAAOSwlYtgSf23

Guy

[john]

I see it's now described as a 99.9% replica.
So a steel monocoque and Dino engine and transmission clearly only adds 0.1% value......

[Normb666]

That's always the 0.1% you can't afford :)

I love the way it's "not the usual put together amateur kit" (dunno what's wrong with saying "amateur assembled", or even "enthusiast built", but never mind). Well if it's not one of those, and then looking at the standard of builds on here, it must be bloody awful! Still, facetiousness aside, I'm fascinated to see how low the asking price will get. It'd probably be a really nice car for someone, if advertised correctly and at a reasonable price.

[john]

Yes Norm, given that he thinks that the 'norm' ( no pun intended) is amateurish, then he clearly has not done the research he claims he has. Its actually insulting.

[Normb666]

I can understand he wants to make out it's well built - in fact Richard has already told me it was - but it's the expression "...the usual..." that annoys me. He's either an ignorant arrogant git, or he's not thought through what he's saying. Or maybe even both.
I don't know who "Stratos Guru Graham Bates" is - assume he's not a SEC member or he'd have interjected by now, surely?

[john]

" This is a well built car, clearly constructed by someone who knows what they are doing."
There, that should cover it. Don't see the need to cast aspersions at anybody elses efforts.
Unless of course the whole of his research involved watching an old episode of Top Gear......

[ProtoTipo]

I don't know who "Stratos Guru Graham Bates" is - assume he's not a SEC member or he'd have interjected by now, surely?

Norm,
Graham Bates (or 'Grumpy' as he's oft referred to) was quite the legend in the Stratos Replica Club.
He designed and made a lot of bespoke parts for the Transformer kit and the 'Saturday Club' revolved around him.
The immaculate ex Terry Bunn Hawk HF I first owned, had quite a few parts that Graham made, including panel catches, alloy boot lid etc.
If you look back at earlier club newsletters, his influence is fairly obvious. This is the period when Denys Jones' Pirelli car was built.
It's highly unlikely that Graham would contribute to any on-line forum. I doubt he'd care.

[Bernard]

He's either an ignorant arrogant git, .... You have got it completely wrong Norm !!!....... you forgot the word GREEDY !

[jbspot]

I am looking for a 2006 or earlier car preferably with LHD to import to Canada. There are few for sale it seems but I have looked at this Hawk and have read all of the banter concerning it. Am I correct in staying away from this particular example no matter what the asking price or does it become attractive at a certain price point? For me the drivetrain is the least of my worries: it is getting it registered here that I am leery about. Any and all advice appreciated.

[Guy Mayers]

I'm not sure this car fits your bill.
Before it gets exported it really needs the engine number and capacity updating on the documents. That my be something the vendor is willing to do for you as a condition of the sale. I don't know how thoroughly your inspectors look at stuff like that, they may not notice a capacity error but an engine number is a little more obvious if they can find it. Is there a local inspection/department that you can talk to?

This car has been known to the Club since it was first built so we can say with certainty that it's more than 15 years old.

If you do decide that this car is for you it is possible to convert it to LHD but it's a compromise as the footwells are wider on the drivers side as built and moving the spine of the car isn't really practical. Everything else can be done on this chassis. Later Hawks are harder to successfully convert to LHD.
As you note, there are very few for sale. Sometimes you just need to buy what's available!

[Normb666]

Hi James, welcome to the club, and good luck in your search!

You're right, there are very few cars for sale at any one time, and that's due to several factors including the general world of classic car types who these days take replicas far more seriously than they once did - for one thing, they're cheaper than originals, and for another, they can actually be better! So they don't hang about very long, although the Brexit situation has thrown a temporary spanner in the works. That's all reflected in current values, but you still have to be wary of what you're buying....and don't believe talk of £170K if it was LHD. If that was true, why wouldn't you have the work done??? And would you pay that much?? ....no, thought not :)
Still, the asking price of this one is now back down to what it was originally, i.e, just under £70K. I've been assured by a previous owner that it was, at the time of his ownership, a really good car, but that was some time ago! You also have to take into account that this is fitted with a 12-valve motor rather than a 24-valve. That makes a difference to some. And heed well Guy's words of wisdom above - he knows his onions when it comes to Hawks!

As one of those who've bantered about this one, I think that at the current price, and with "offers invited", you could well be able to strike a deal. You obviously have to factor in the cost of a LHD conversion if it's a deal-breaker to stay RHD, so it could end up being very pricey - have you contacted anyone regarding doing the work?
Your other alternative, if it HAS to be pre-2006, is to simply hang on till another car comes to market. You won't find an LB in that case. as they only came into being in 2010. However, LBs can be converted between LHD and RHD fairly easily - the floorpan's the same either side and all chassis already have the mountings and brackets for both configs.

As always, it's your decision, although I think it's vastly complicated by you being about 6000 miles away! But as I said, Good Luck!

[westonTB]

I saw the car at the Lancia Motor Club AGM , I think 2019. The then new owner said how well it drove and he was used to some exotic machinery.

He let me have a good poke around and it seemed really well put together, it just seems a shame the current vendor was asking too much to begin with and now I would say it was at a sensible price. Lovely car and was in great shape summer 2019.

[jbspot]

Thanks for all of your feedback! Yes it is a little difficult being several thousand miles away when looking for a vehicle. Normally you jump on a plane and go wherever but not these days. Maybe by next fall things will open up again.
I saw an original Stratos back in 1977 while visiting France and now that I am retired was hoping to find my dream car as it were. I owned a '79 X1/9 a few years ago and thoroughly enjoyed driving it but it needed more power. I believe Hawk has delivered over 600 of their version so maybe one will come up sometime. Having not seen any of these various replicas, how does the quality compare between them? I have watched many of the Youtube videos on the LB's and the Hawk's but this is not nearly as informative as a hands-on visit to see the real thing. There is a local shop that builds race trucks for the Baja 1000 so I am not too concerned with converting it to LHD but I have size 11 shoes so the foot wheel space may be an issue. We are not allowed to import kitcars into Canada unless they are more than 15 years old which also limits the pool of eligible cars. And of course it must have been legally registered so having the correct engine number is essential.

[westonTB]

Get it bought, drink it while it is fizzy!

If there is one thing the last year or so has taught us, it is time to crack on!!!

[Normb666]

I agree with Tim here in regards to life being too short for regrets, which is a principle I've adhered to since I was about....er....15 ;) Shame about that 15-year rule (does a "kitcar" somehow become safer with age??), but when the authorities refer to "kitcars" do they mean "one that was amateur built at home" or does that also include a factory-built example? For example, you couldn't import, say, a recent Caterham Seven that had been built in someone's garage, but one assembled professionally at the factory would be OK?
If that's the case, your options could be greater as not everyone assembles their own cars these days, and would include LBs (or ListerBells as they were known till a couple of years ago). Quality of the kits is excellent but a lot depends on the skills of the builder - and for older cars, that might not mean as much these days as they could have been rebuilt to a greater or lesser degree. Have a look at the build threads on here to give you an idea of what's involved and what you need to look at. You're right though, you can't beat seeing something in person. Maybe soon you'll be able to jump on that plane...maybe even commission your own build as new??

[ProtoTipo]

New price today, 6k up:

Pirelli Hawk (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-REPLICA-500K-GENUINE-ONES-PLEASE-NO-MORE-DREAMERS-OR-T-W/324567284399?hash=item4b91b7baaf:g:dO0AAOSwvFhgIqiK)

[tomsredstratos]

This is hilarious. Over 30 years in the classic car trade and I have never seen an advertised cars price change like this.

I think the price must be directly linked to the stock market or the wind........Mystic Meg maybe:confused:

[Longtimefan]

Hallucinations spring to mind, perhaps its something to do with 'Coke' and not the type that comes in a tin.

[LPH_UK]

This is more like watching share prices than the price of a second hand car - up and down all over the place!

[john]

You couldn't make it up could you?
He must get a couple of enquiries and hike the price on the strength.

[Normb666]

I think he needs to amend the ad so it doesn't say "....won't be around long"

The price is jumping about so much it's like a video game - you have to get the timing just right on the "Buy It" button to catch it at the bottom price, otherwise you'll be thousands down!

[pim]

Yes with one 1979 V5 it’s possible to obtain EU registration easily! Depend on what kind of Lancia its registered, in the Netherlands anyway. If the V5 Make and type says Lancia Beta it wont pass in the Netherlands, because its not a Lancia Beta. So Make is lancia but what type is it registered at?

[Kenny m]

I've lost track on this one now is it back down again £69950.00 it had went up 6k on the 14th

[ProtoTipo]

I've lost track on this one now is it back down again £69950.00 it had went up 6k on the 14th

Yes Kenny, 'back to where we started!

[Bernard]

Well it's the weekend... up early....really would have liked a lie in....but that's life.....BBC 1 news is on the telly... Pick up laptop and go to Club website.... then read this.... so I wondered what the price fluctuation would look like on a graph....... well it looks like we missed some Intra Day price Fluctuations..... anyway just for fun here it is....... I'm going to have a coffee now...LOL

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[Redline]

Phil,

I can see two text tables OK, descriptions but no numbers, but no graph,

Mark

[Bernard]

Hi Mark... somehow the graph didn't come thro...I put it down to my skill with computors !........... There are no numbers on the above charts but it does how how many times he looked at / altered the price as is states Description of modification "Advertised price"........ he was clearly tormented getting the price right !

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[Normb666]

Doesn't matter what happens to this car now - where it ends up, or who it goes to - it'll always be called "The Yoyo Car" and there'll always be rumours concerning what the price actually was!! (....although if it ends up being someone on here and they get it for £40K I bet we hear about it...) :)

[Redline]

The price isn't right until it sells.

[Kenny m]

Unless it goes less than 69k Norm maybe the Boomerang car as it always returns to 69k ��

[ProtoTipo]

(....although if it ends up being someone on here and they get it for £40K I bet we hear about it...) :)

That's funny Norm, £40k is what I had in mind, or £45k if you really want it and are going to keep it for a long time.
That's in the U.K. though. If it was already converted to LHD and successfully registered in the EU, then the asking price is about right?

[Normb666]

Chris, agreed - £40-45K seems about right for an older Hawk with a 12V. GAZ dampers are fine but definitely not "the business", and the gearlever looks awful (even if it actually works fine, you can't extol the car's excellent build qualities with that thing plonked in the middle). As you say, prob worth a bit more in the EU with LHD, but I think the extra costs that come with Brexit have given potential buyers pause. Anyway, as Mark's said, it's worth whatever it sells for. Might have a bit more credibility with a better-written ad too.

[ProtoTipo]

Your's for £99,995

Here (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324611731456?hash=item4b945df000:g:fzEAAOSwtPFglk3E)

[Kenny m]

The Phoenix arises again

[Willtord]

Did a YoYo ever reach the stratosphere before?

Only down the road from me, I may go and take a peak and offer 25K just to bring him back to earth.

[tomsredstratos]

Now says......LHD AND IT WOULD BE £140,000 - £170,000...

Hmmm. Do we all need to get converting:confused:

Im finding this absolutely baffling. Does his other stock prices keep fluctuating?

[Normb666]

I'm bored with it now. I don't understand why the constantly-fluctuating price, or what message it's supposed to send to potential buyers. As for "won't be around long"....well I think that was blown out of the water a while back....

[Guy Mayers]

Bored with this now. Can someone buy this car please? Perhaps if we deleted this thread so nobody who hasn't looked will realise what a joke this has become?

[Karnevil]

Bored with this now. Can someone buy this car please? Perhaps if we deleted this thread so nobody who hasn't looked will realise what a joke this has become?

Better still,all of us arrange to view it and offer £60k first then each subsequent person offer £5k less than the previous offer!

[ProtoTipo]

It's a £45k car.

Because I'd rather have this:
Supercharged (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124715676761?hash=item1d09a23459:g:FHoAAOSw~HFgl2qH)
or:
A very nice classic Ferrari (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133727916306?hash=item1f22ce1112:g:x44AAOSwSDBfmDuL)

I can't see how that Pirelli Hawk could be worth more?

[john]

It's a £45k car.

I can't see how that Pirelli Hawk could be worth more?

Unless the way its registered will make a difference for an overseas buyer, I'd say you were spot on Chris.
Surely anyone who's following this car would have detected the bulls**t by now?!

[Normb666]

Chris, I fully agree. Unless you really, really, really want an old Strat rep with a sub-optimal motor, and therefore not very quick these days, why would you not go for a low mileage example of one of the finest sports cars you can buy? (...apart from the parts prices and the awkward servicing, that is), or if classics are your thing, that 308 GT4? I'm not knocking the Hawk, by the way, but back in the real world....!

[john]

And now the ebay listing features photos of other cars!
Including yours Guy!

[Guy Mayers]

Thank you John. I've emailed the seller and asked him to amend the listing, deleting pictures of my car. I notice a picture of John Butterworth's car and another red Gp4 car in there too but not sure if that's original or replica!
Guy

[john]

Just thought you should know Guy.
You do have to question what the motive for including those pics is? If I was buying I'd want to see pictures of the car itself. Pretty sparce on any detail shots of the car for sale!
If he believed his own hype then some detailed shots would be handy.
The whole episode has become a joke a good while ago.

[ProtoTipo]

Just thought you should know Guy.
You do have to question what the motive for including those pics is? If I was buying I'd want to see pictures of the car itself. Pretty sparce on any detail shots of the car for sale!

The photo of Guy's car has now gone, but the photo of John Butterfield's Pirelli Hawk remains.
There are some smaller photos of the car for sale, lower down on the listing John.

[Guy Mayers]

Thanks Chris - saved me checking! It's a little sad that this topic is now longer than some build threads!;)

[tomsredstratos]

Its now a pound:confused:

[Willtord]

No doubt he'll have an "anonymous buyer" waiting in the wings, to bump the price up to something unrealistic. Expect it to be sold, then "relisted due to time waster". :rolleyes:

Edit: And. . . .it's gone. LOL.
Edit edit: Sorry gents, my mistake, I thought it was relisted on ebay. Seems it's on gumtree now for a pound, and "POA" on carandclassic

[Normb666]

Will someone please go and buy the thing, and put us all out of his misery??

[Karnevil]

Will someone please go and buy the thing, and put us all out of his misery??


Lend us a quid Guvn'r..................................

[Karnevil]

Seems this same place has a MG Maestro Turbo for sale,don't care what you think of them but they are pretty rare,but it seems the ad is doing the rounds in BLARG and MG circles and the floor pan is shot!

Not presenting his business well is he!

[Guy Mayers]

Seen it. £14000? What was the price last week? Yes it's a rare car but not MOT'd since 2006! That'll need some fettling to get it back on the road and reliable!

I think he's a closet collector with a wife telling him to shift some stuff. Of course he prices it so nobody will buy it....

[john]

I think he's a closet collector with a wife telling him to shift some stuff. Of course he prices it so nobody will buy it....

In that case Guy his business model is perfect!

[The Slug]

Maybe we should organize a road trip down to look at it, and take a few pics of this 99.9% Rep?
Show him just how rare they really are. If nothing else its a reason do drive yours...

[Bernard]

Now the plain red foreign registered car photographed in the ad......... I may give £80k for that..?

[Guy Mayers]

Soooo tempted to list my car for £170k...... until I realised that the advert has changed slightly ad doesn't say a LHD car would be worth that sort of money anymore.

On the other hand, I wonder how much he'd offer me in Px?

[Bernard]

Now £79 266... also it's now "been built by the Best in the Business "............ sorry Craig !

Thought the new price was interesting though..... must have found some different keys on his keyboard.................. didn't see the £266 coming tho'

[westonTB]

This is just hilarious, absolutely brilliant, you couldn't write it, someone speak to this Jason chap & help him out, he needs a manager.

Seriously though, having the right product & struggling so much is sad to watch.

[Guy Mayers]

With this one it's time to put a £50,000 reserve on it and start the auction at £5,000 to get the ball rolling. Or keep it and stop advertising it for a year.

[Willtord]

Guy, it won't need a year because "BE IN NO DOUBT THIS CAR IS A TRUE BARGAIN AND WONT BE AROUND FOR LONG WILL BE SNAPPED UP VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF ITS ABSOLUTE RARETY..!!!"

Been for sale for at least 4 months that I'm aware of. I wonder how far we can stretch the insinuation of the phrase "WONT BE AROUND FOR LONG"? - Won't be around for looonnng?

Also, an interesting fact is that Won’t is the correct way to contract will not. Wont is a type of behaviour that is specific to a person. It’s also the wrong way to spell won’t. It's a rarety that people know the definition of the word wont. Sorry, I meant to say rarity. :P

Edit: I've just read what I've typed and thought "stop being a cock", but it's early, and I haven't woken up properly yet. To quote my girlfriend; "sometimes you're a real pain until you've had a coffee!".

Just off to make a coffee. . .

[john]

All fair comment.
His problem now is that to anyone actually knowing anything about Stratos and replicas, as most serious buyers surely do, he has shot his credibility to pieces, leaving him the only option of selling to somebody impulse buying.

[ProtoTipo]

Just gone 4 months now, since the first post of this thread.

[Willtord]

Unfortunately I cant help feeling that it's had other repercussions, too. I was quoted £90k yesterday, for a factory built STR. I do love the shape of the Stratos, but 90K puts it firmly in competition with a Brand New Porsche Cayman/Boxster 4.0L GTS, or numerous second owner convertible Lamborghinis and Ferraris and their associated development, heritage, parts and servicing networks.

[Strat Fan]

Unfortunately I cant help feeling that it's had other repercussions, too. I was quoted £90k yesterday, for a factory built STR. I do love the shape of the Stratos, but 90K puts it firmly in competition with a Brand New Porsche Cayman/Boxster 4.0L GTS, or numerous second owner convertible Lamborghinis and Ferraris and their associated development, heritage, parts and servicing networks.
The only correlation with the pricing of the eBay car and an LB is that the eBay seller contacted LB anonymously 4 months ago as a potential buyer to ask what the cost of a factory built car was, he then bumped his eBay listing price from £69,995 to £109,995.
There are no repercussions whatsoever to the cost of a turn key LB in light of the (fluctuating) advertised price eBay car.
The pricing for a turn key LB is quite simply based on the component cost, a build labour cost and then a profit margin which then makes it viable to keep a business with overheads going in this day and age.
If you compare the spec of a factory LB with car being offered on eBay currently then you would realise there is actually a significant difference in component/engine spec and therefore the component cost alone of the two cars is vastly different.
I fully agree that you can buy a lot of sports car for comparable money but that really is to miss the point. As one of the forum's old guard used to say "people buy a Stratos because they want something which looks like a Stratos".
You cannot buy that look in any other car and it therefore becomes what it is & the decision is one to be made by the customer at their own discretion.

[westonTB]

Correct, if you want a Stratos then really only a Stratos will scratch that itch, nothing else is the 'same', similar yes in engine placement etc but not a Stratos, drove my mates McLaren 570 the other year then Gordon took me out in his LB... the McLaren was dull in every way by comparison.

Although my Hawk is not yet IVA'd , when I finish 'testing' it I simply don't want to get out or turn it off! Some OEM's can struggle to (pardon the pun) replicate this.:o

[ProtoTipo]

I fully agree that you can buy a lot of sports car for comparable money but that really is to miss the point.

As much as I like Stratos replicas, once they've got to the stage of being valued £10k above Ferrari 308s, I'm always going to choose a 308.
There is a limit.

[Stratos Fear]

As Craig said - it's a matter of personal choice. The fact that LB has a long waiting list speaks volumes. Now that I'm starting to "test" my car I'm beginning to get a feel for what makes these cars so special - apart from the heritage and aesthetics (as if that wasn't enough !)

[Strat Fan]

Looking at eBay the listing for the Hawk has currently ended and the item is no longer available.

[Strat Fan]

As much as I like Stratos replicas, once they've got to the stage of being valued £10k above Ferrari 308s, I'm always going to choose a 308.
There is a limit.
I think that is exactly the point,
It is at the buyers discretion as to what amount of money they wish to spend on the car of their choosing.
Everyone will have a limit as to what they would want to spend to own such a car and that is their choice.
If a buyer does not think a car is worth what it is advertised/for sale at then quite simply they don't buy it.

[renmure]

A problem when comparing the purchase price of these other exotica with a Stratos rep is it ignores the inbuilt costs associated with owning them. Buying them is the cheap bit. I follow the McLaren Forums quite closely but have yet to find too many folk running one without the £3500 annual warranty and that's before servicing and insurance costs. Some of the better ones available at the moment still cost over £100k but have depreciated by the cost of a turnkey LB STR over the past couple of years and haven't reached the bottom. It makes the idea of owning a nice, appreciating, desirable, cheap to run kit car quite pleasant.

My personal experience of over 20 years of Ferrari ownership is the need to budget for an average of £2500 for servicing per year. My best mate bought a lovely, mint condition, 328 GTS about 3 years ago for less than a turnkey STR. For the past 8 months it has been with a specialist having unexpected engine work done at a cost that would buy you a new Honda Civic Type R.

[ProtoTipo]

I owned a 308 and did all the servicing myself.
I stripped down all four webers and rebuilt them. I also fitted new cam belts and tensioner bearings.
You can't run one on a budget, but it needn't cost a fortune.

Regarding current Stratos replica values:
They are now way out of my league, and for a long time, that didn't use to be the case.
If I hadn't been able to create possible ownership by stealth, I'd have gone from here some time ago.

[westonTB]

I agree Chris, it is a shame values 'matter'... because really they don't.

[Stimbow]

I’m new to the stratos replica scene, but not the exotic race/rally scene.
I’ve also come on here looking for a stratos replica. It did also take me by surprise by the cost of the stratos replicas especially because I’ve done my research on other kit cars for sale, the standard classic Ferrari’s, Porsche, early esprits and anything with any historic rallying or race pedigree.
So, in my mind I already had a price and was somewhat anchored to it. I too was taken aback by the cost of the stratos replica cars in comparison to the above mentioned cars! And correct me if I’m wrong, they’re not eligible to actually enter a timed rally event?

Definitely a supply and demand of such cars with kit-cars not being frowned upon as they once were, restomods with any engine in any classic car being a new pastime, the new model stratos, the youtubers bringing the stratos to a new generation. All has given the stratos a bit of a revival! And the one’s who have one, won’t sell them, but funnily, if one comes up for sale they buy another!!!

So, my take on it is quite simple. You get your free quote and if you like it, then dig deep and splash the cash! If not, admire and take part as a club member and enjoy or put some finance plan together! At the end of the day, we would all like to own an original! And I’ll put my neck out and say 90% of people on this forum would want one. But a replica would just have to do?

Do I still want one?…Hell yea!
Which manufacturer? who cares! I’ve seen them both now and love them both, but I must admit, I now have a soft spot for a steel body replica, I’ve seen one getting built in a bunch of wooden sheds down somewhere in sunny England! More options to choose from, but how deep are my pockets??? Lol.

[Normb666]

I expect you've all been waiting for me to weigh in on this latest side-discussion regarding Strat rep prices! In fact I was actually going to leave it, having said it all previously - but on reflection, it may be worth reiterating a few things.
1) There still seems to be a mode of thought amongst some people that these Strat reps are "only kit cars" and should therefore be (fairly) cheap. Well, those days are long gone. The genuine Stratoses found their true place in the world of classics as desirable exotics some years ago, and good high-quality replicas have also climbed in price as they too have become appreciated for what they actually are. They have to be "good", though, to fetch the big numbers.
2) A new turnkey car from Hawk or LB can't be cheap. Consider the work involved in constructing one, and the cost of the components, the trimming, the painting, the labour. Remember that the car is entirely hand-built without robots and without an assembly line, plus the fact it's bespoke. The whole journey from initial contact with the manufacturer, to speccing the car and examining it at various points during its build, to collection of the finished vehicle, is already better than what the high-end exotic marques are attempting to do. If you order a Ferrari or Lambo, you'll do it at a dealer. You'll never get to meet the guy who designed it or the people who're building it, and establish a proper relationship with them. That's priceless!
3) Comparing a new turnkey Strat rep to a Cayman/Boxster GTS or Ferrari 308...well, sure, it's horses for courses, but in a lot of ways, for me the LB is a superior car. Consider just the door hinge, which uses laser-cut parts and spherical joints. Not only is it functional, it's lovely to look at. And that goes for just about every component on it - it's almost Pagani or Bugatti-like in that respect. Don't misunderstand, the Porsche is a fantastic car and great value for money (I've had my 987 Boxster Spyder 10 years now and can't see me ever selling it), but it's still mass-produced and when you start getting under the skin you can see where the corners have been cut. Your new Strat rep might not be as practical or be as "developed" in many ways, but it's automotive jewellery!
4) It's unlikely your Strat rep will depreciate for some time yet, given the waiting lists etc. Can't say that about a Cayman GTS!
5) £90-odd thousand for a new car such as this is peanuts in comparison with other manufacturers. In fact I don't understand how they can do it that cheaply! And remember that a turnkey car is no longer a kit car, so why shouldn't it be a pricey thing?

The car for sale here (the 12-valve Alfa-engined Hawk....remember that?? :) ) is, I'm told by a previous owner, quite a good car, but it's 20-odd years old now, has a 12v motor and no way can it be compared to a new one with the latest improvements, etc. The vendor asking what a new LB costs, and then upping his price to beyond that, is laughable and shows he doesn't understand the first thing about our cars. You'd think he'd have asked the actual manufacturer of the car he's trying to sell, wouldn't ya?? I'm sure there'll be even more to be said about all this yet...

[ChrisCar6]

Stratos replicas have come a long way in the last 10 years, from the earlier days of " a spanner with a hammer in a shed in Nuneaton" to what are now low-volume manufacturers cars, some of which are home-assembled. The change in sourcing of parts and materials has contributed to the huge increase in quality and costs of builds. No comparison between my self-build and say Renmure Jim's brand new car. Other than the external looks. Each worth the cost of time and parts to manufacture the vehicle. Old replicas just aren't the same as current products.
What else might contribute to the value/sale price of a car? Detailed replication of a period Lancia (You'd need a proper style steel chassis for that)? Presence of MSA logbook (here's hoping). Celebrity autograph (hasn't someone's been autographed by Stig Blomqvist)? What else?

[ProtoTipo]

At the end of the day, we would all like to own an original! And I’ll put my neck out and say 90% of people on this forum would want one.

There was a time... :confused:

[Normb666]

Provenance can have a big effect on the price of just about anything. Therefore I'm confident that, as soon as the ink's dry on my car's V5 with my name on it, its value will drop approx 40% :)

[renmure]

It's a goldilox product and it's a seller's market and there's unlikely to be too many similar cars around at any time.

I imagine in the future the spec of a turnkey LB STR will probably have a lot in common with my car or Norms car plus or minus a couple of options .. such as blue wheels or chavy decals .. so the 2nd hand values will have a more direct relationship with the costs the company initially charge for the product. Simple economics should dictate that cost will increase quite a bit so that supply and demand are more aligned.

Anyhow, who cares. The values only matter when you come to selling it or insuring it. Vroom vroom

[Darkspeed]

There was a time... :confused:

Oddly there was never a time that I did want one - original or replica - I always wanted one of these.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1963-blue-corvette-split-window-coupe-rear-1024x768.jpg

[Longtimefan]

I expect you've all been waiting for me to weigh in on this latest side-discussion regarding Strat rep prices! In fact I was actually going to leave it, having said it all previously - but on reflection, it may be worth reiterating a few things..

Well said Norman. Some others on here just want one as a homage to what they represent and how they came about, and where they came from in the thinking of the day. A car that was designed for a specific purpose and archived it in spades. A car that was light years ahead of its modified road going contemporaries in styling and automotive engineering design. It’s physical appearance attracted admiration as much as its performance and created the mystique that we see today.

I was co-driving/navigating in International rallies just prior to the impact of the aptly named Stratos, and have every admiration for the achievements of the Munari’s et al on the roads and forest stages that were being competed on in the day.

To drive a Stratos at competition winning speeds on a ‘corrugated’ surface needed superhumans, (both driver & co-driver).

It was the charisma that the car created and the memories I have at my contact with them being involved with the organisation of the Rallies in this country in which they competed, that made me want, and now have the next best thing. Value has nothing to do with it.

Robin.

[Normb666]

Interestingly, the car that's the subject of this "discussion" hasn't reappeared on Ebay, but is now on Car & Classic as a private sale in Preston at £82500. Ad wording is still pretty much the same, and the photos are as before, so has the car been sold for its last known price of approx £60K and is now being flipped, or is it a ploy where Jason the Car Dealer has got a pal to sell it for him? Still waaaay too expensive and, in fact, it was overpriced at £60K.... the saga continues!!

[Normb666]

Robin, I agree - the Old Gits on here will remember the impact it had on us back in the day, seeing and hearing a competition Stratos in its element being hammered around a rally stage or being driven "spiritedly" on road sections... I remember my first sight of the Munari car on the 1974 RAC Rally in North Wales at the Clocaenog stages. Although I'd seen magazine articles and photos of the car and was amazed at how it looked, seeing one for real was something of a mind-melt. I couldn't understand how something so small could hold two people and an engine (yes I know it's the same length as a Lotus Elan, but you know what I mean), and nor could I understand why it wasn't self-destructing at the abuse it was getting. Exotic cars simply weren't supposed to do things like that!! That excitement at seeing one has never left me to this day. Yes I know that modern replicas aren't the real thing; I know they're not Ferrari-powered, blah blah blah. But for me, I think they're actually better than a genuine one. All the looks but modern running gear and brakes? More performance, and less likelihood of a clumsy oaf like me gong off the road? I'll have some of that ta! - and at under half the price of a Huracan or F8 Tributo, I reckon I'm well in front of the game!

It's things like this that give you a reason to live, to make you smile, and keep you acting like a 10-year-old....:cool:

[Normb666]

Oddly there was never a time that I did want one - original or replica - I always wanted one of these.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1963-blue-corvette-split-window-coupe-rear-1024x768.jpg

Very tasty car - my fave of the Corvettes. Would yours have to be the split window one? Biiig money.....!

You'll have to satisfy my curiosity, though. If you've never wanted any sort of Stratos, why are you on here? That's not meant to sound antagonistic or that we want you gone, it's just a simple question, because this is a place for Stratos enthusiasts, and you've just pretty much said you're not one! :)

[Guy Mayers]

You'll have to satisfy my curiosity, though. If you've never wanted any sort of Stratos, why are you one here? That's not meant to sound antagonistic or that we want you gone, it's just a simple question, because this is a place for Stratos enthusiasts, and you've just pretty much said you're not one! :)

Thank you Norman! i was wondering how to word the question! Only ever drive a Corvette twice. First and last time, thought it was awful. But if I had to choose one it'd be the split window!
Guy

[Longtimefan]

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/1963-blue-corvette-split-window-coupe-rear-1024x768.jpg

All Bling, Thrust and Grunt, but no finesse in handling the Curves !!!!

[Normb666]

Robin, I've had women say that exact same thing to me.... ;)

[Darkspeed]

All Bling, Thrust and Grunt, but no finesse in handling the Curves !!!!

LOL - Whatever...

[Karnevil]

All Bling, Thrust and Grunt, but no finesse in handling the Curves !!!!
Pretty well sums up my driving style.

:)

[ProtoTipo]

We're 'part-exing' now, and it's a different eBay member selling.

New eBay listing (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265199827719?hash=item3dbf243b07:g:04QAAOSwyNFgzEUT)

[Normb666]

"May take cheaper p/ex"....Cosworth, Metro 6R4, 911RS?? Er, good luck with that :)

What I don't understand is why the advert is practically the same.

[ProtoTipo]

What I don't understand is why the advert is practically the same.

Surely not? It's a completely different seller.;)

[Karnevil]

Surely not? It's a completely different seller.;)

It's not a new seller he just put clean underwear on!

[Karnevil]

Not something I've LONGED for....................................


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264968928822?hash=item3db160fe36:g:Nv8AAOSwZo5ffZO4

[ChrisCar6]

And it's off again.....

[ChrisCar6]

And it's off again.....

Oh, and it's back on again! Presume that's a space saver spare in the front? His tumble drier isn't ideally placed.

[Guy Mayers]

Well if anyone fancies a Metro 6R4 replica you'd better snap this one up right now!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324782463629?hash=item4b9e8b1a8d:g:4VoAAOSwwllgwg~b

Because tomorrow it's going to be £100k plus if the seller sticks to his usual routine!

Guy

[LPH_UK]

Why does something not look quite right? Wheels? Suspension height?

What happened to the Hawk?

[Kenny m]

Your probably correct guy same car in green short while ago 45k18784

[ah_sprite]

The car was last spotted for sale in Preston by a guy who seems to trade in rally replicas - he had the 6R4 for sale on eBay around 6 months ago. I guess they did a part exchange deal. It looks as though the Hawk may have been eventually sold by the Preston guy, having vanished from eBay and not been seen for a while!

[ProtoTipo]

The car was last spotted for sale in Preston by a guy who seems to trade in rally replicas - he had the 6R4 for sale on eBay around 6 months ago. I guess they did a part exchange deal. It looks as though the Hawk may have been eventually sold by the Preston guy, having vanished from eBay and not been seen for a while!

The Preston ebay listing is still there, post sale:
Pirelli Hawk in Preston (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-RALLY-REPLICA-HAWK-HF-3000-May-Px-Cosworth-metro-6R4-911-RS-/265199827719?hash=item3dbf243b07%3Ag%3A04QAAOSwyNFgzEUT&nma=true&si=Fmvt0Ol472Nq4Mycwfzsj%252FWt0Tk%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

[Stratos Fear]

I think 80 grand for a 30 year old replica is pushing his luck a bit .

[LPH_UK]

I think the market agrees!

[ProtoTipo]

The Preston ebay listing is still there, post sale:
Pirelli Hawk in Preston (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-STRATOS-GP4-RALLY-REPLICA-HAWK-HF-3000-May-Px-Cosworth-metro-6R4-911-RS-/265199827719?hash=item3dbf243b07%3Ag%3A04QAAOSwyNFgzEUT&nma=true&si=Fmvt0Ol472Nq4Mycwfzsj%252FWt0Tk%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

As I said, the listing ended on 18th/19th June.

[skoolsen]

This turned up on a Norwegian facebook page, in Norway.

[ProtoTipo]

So that's where it went?!!