Allora For Sale - LHD in Germany near Cologne

[Guy Mayers]

Looks like Enzo is selling his car?

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/lancia-stratos-gr-4-allora-replika/2040799786-216-1875?utm_source=sharesheet&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=app_android&fbclid=IwAR2sFuNz0vQHhRnJAk8sJYvHhQdWuEeOupteGjX3mXYt-YAx4UvR65w4gZ0

I'm sure he'll be along shortly!

Guy

[Stradale Corse]

Can I assume that this would now attract import duties and maybe other fees to bring to the UK now? How old would this kit be? Mid 80's?

[Guy Mayers]

It might depend on if it was UK registered when it was exported, if it was permanently exported then I would say yes, you're going to get hit for everything they can get out of you! However, if it's still got a UK registration you may be able to bring it back into the UK without getting caught. Then just MOT it again and job's done? Ask Enzo, he may know it's status.

Guy

[Stradale Corse]

Thanks Guy. What is his forum name please?

Gary

Edit.... Found it!

[Allora#2]

Hello everybody,
yes, it's my car that's for sale!
i've had it for almost 12 years now and had a lot of fun with it
i would now like to pass this experience to another person
so I decided to sell the Stratos.
i think 79,000 euro are fair but it's negotiable
btw. the car comes with a lot of spare parts.
saluti Enzo


this picture is from 26.01.2010 when i pick up the Stratos!

[Guy Mayers]

That helps a little Enzo - we can see that it still has an MOT history visible on the UK DVLA site which might mean it's not been recorded as permanently exported. If you still have the UK registration document it may be possible to bring it back into the UK on a trailer with that number plate attached and avoid any issues with VAT on export/import? That may make it more attractive to UK buyers? Do you still have the Uk V5 registration document?
Guy

[Allora#2]

Hi Guy, unfortunately i have no registration and no V5 papers
the original papers have been confiscated by the office at the German registration..
i only have the GB license plates and a photo from V5.

[Stradale Corse]

That helps a little Enzo - we can see that it still has an MOT history visible on the UK DVLA site which might mean it's not been recorded as permanently exported. If you still have the UK registration document it may be possible to bring it back into the UK on a trailer with that number plate attached and avoid any issues with VAT on export/import? That may make it more attractive to UK buyers? Do you still have the Uk V5 registration document?
Guy

I did check with DVLA and unfortunately it is classed as permanently exported so HMRC import taxes would be charged.... Would we have been free from this without Brexit?

[Guy Mayers]

I did check with DVLA and unfortunately it is classed as permanently exported so HMRC import taxes would be charged.... Would we have been free from this without Brexit?

I think so.

[john]

"Regrets.., I've had a few, but then again too few to mention......"

[Allora#2]

HMRC import taxes by price or by value? a lot can be written on paper :)

[ITFCFAN88]

I would love to import this car to the USA and would seriously consider doing that. Is the car RHD or LHD. Looks to be LHD but want to confirm. BTW, if anyone in the USA has a Stratos (its like looking for a leprechaun riding a unicorn) for sale in the USA I'm very interested in seeing what you have. PM me please.

[Guy Mayers]

It's been converted to Left Hand Drive.

[Kenny m]

Would you have to pay the import duties bringing it into Northern Ireland,still part of uk but in the single market.

[Stratie.fr]

Wow I’m surprised that Enzo sells his great Allora :(

I really love this car with the amazing job Enzo did it on
I always liked the Tony Fassina livery and If I don’t have any Strat on order I would buy immediatly!

Hope this great car stay in own of one SEC member!

Good luck with the sale:)

[Guy Mayers]

Would you have to pay the import duties bringing it into Northern Ireland,still part of uk but in the single market.

I'm sure you would Kenny! Even getting it into Southern Ireland might be an issue if it has to transit through the UK? It would take someone with specialist knowledge I think.

I would suspect that the market for this car will remain in Germany, there's enough demand and having one already registered is one hoop the new owner would't have to jump through.

Guy

[Stradale Corse]

Would you have to pay the import duties bringing it into Northern Ireland,still part of uk but in the single market.

Coincidentally the HMRC car teams office is in Belfast. The lady I spoke to said its 20% vat UK wide. I guess nobody predicted this scenario before 2016? Had it been changed in to Enzo's name in the UK then it might have been possible to bring it straight back.. Escaping the tax man is near impossible ��

[Martin0074]

I have experience of importing from the USA import duty and Vat then I assume it may need to pass through IVA BUT THAT IS ONLY A GUESS someone here may correct that

[Guy Mayers]

It may be possible to avoid VAT (20%) and Import Duty (10%) on a car that was previously exported.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pay-less-import-duty-and-vat-when-re-importing-goods-to-the-uk-and-eu#when-to-claim

This isn't something you should rely on and if anyone in the UK is contemplating purchase please check directly with HMRC. You may have to rely on recorded chassis and engine numbers that used to appear on the DVLA website and, given it's had an engine change with Enzo, that may cause headaches. Do your research chaps!

Guy

[Stratie.fr]

[QUOTE=Guy Mayers;58389

I would suspect that the market for this car will remain in Germany, there's enough demand and having one already registered is one hoop the new owner would't have to jump through.

Guy[/QUOTE]


For sure Guy , this car is well know and very famous in Germany as Enzo raced in plenty events last decade and probably would attract local buyers with a cheap price for the EU market!!

[Karnevil]

Some note on importing classic cars.

https://www.importing-cars.co.uk/services/import/classic-cars-historical-interest.php

[Stradale Corse]

It may be possible to avoid VAT (20%) and Import Duty (10%) on a car that was previously exported.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/pay-less-import-duty-and-vat-when-re-importing-goods-to-the-uk-and-eu#when-to-claim

This isn't something you should rely on and if anyone in the UK is contemplating purchase please check directly with HMRC. You may have to rely on recorded chassis and engine numbers that used to appear on the DVLA website and, given it's had an engine change with Enzo, that may cause headaches. Do your research chaps!

Guy

I was genuinely interested in this car so what I'm writing here is not to scupper the sellers sale, it's based on what I checked with HMRC and DVLA on this specific car.

The car was permanently exported by Enzo and is marked thus at DVLA against reg AEE 11W.

HMRC confirmed that it would attract 20%vat. They didn't mention 10% import duty and I didn't ask..

They said the only way this could be brought back in without tax dues was if the new owner (Enzo) had had the V5 changed to his name before taking it out of the country. Then only he could return it to the UK and re-register it with DVLA. Sadly he confirmed to me that he didn't change the V5 and probably no-one ever anticipated this scenario whilst we were in the EU...

I've no idea whether any other "methods" could be used to bring it back with taxes. I just decided to make my own enquiries to find out the facts as best I could...

As has been said, it'll probably easily find a buyer on the continent where everything will be more straightforward..

[ProtoTipo]

Fetch it back as parts.
That are all £134 each. ;)

[Allora#2]

The Allora is sold
the new owner is Maurik van den Heuvel (Nederlands)
Dakar driver.
https://dakarspeed.nl/team/

[ProtoTipo]

That's that then...

Well done Enzo.
I think you timed that right, given that we won't be able to afford petrol next week?

[Allora#2]

That's that then...

Well done Enzo.
I think you timed that right, given that we won't be able to afford petrol next week?

Chris ,now I have the money for petrol but no car to use it up :)

[ProtoTipo]

Chris ,now I have the money for petrol but no car to use it up :)

:D:D:D 'Good one!...

[Stratie.fr]

The Allora is sold
the new owner is Maurik van den Heuvel (Nederlands)
Dakar driver.
https://dakarspeed.nl/team/

Well done Enzo…a fast and good sale then!
Maurik is a lucky buyer so, hope he won’t use it in Dakar classic race ;)
And We will see again the car in events like you in Eifel festival or other great events!
Please could you advise him to join the SEC!
Ciao
Frederico

[Guy Mayers]

Congratulations on the sale Enzo - I guess a move to Holland is a little closer to the UK! Good luck with whatever you replace it with!

[Normb666]

Well done on the quick sale, Enzo - and congratulations to Maurik, who bought the car (if he comes on here....say Hi if you do).

Proof, for those that needed it, that if you've got a Stratos replica of ANY type, it's worth serious money these days. Obviously Enzo's/Maurik's is an extremely nice one, but it just shows how the market has changed - I got £6000 for my Allora back in '92...I'd like to think that even in its current semi-restored state, current owner Ste would improve on that by quite a bit if he chose to sell! :)