A 'new' version of another iconic rally car

[LPH_UK]

Not a Lancia but a glorious thing all the same. :cool:

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/mst-blows-our-minds-with-incoming-metro-6r4/46983

https://images.pistonheads.com/nimg/46983/mceu_38993012911679485627341.jpg


MST's MK1 and Mk2 Escort recreations are amazing, I'm sure this 6R4 will be equally impressive. And very expensive.....

[ducatiman]

Saw this yesterday.................all carbon fibre. Ill be interested to see what V6 engine is going to be installed as the original engines are super rare now. Also MBE Race Engines who built my Alfa V6 told me that the original engines had to be stripped and refreshed every 1000 miles due to the crank bearings white metal having problems. He had tried all different bearings but with same result............

[ducatiman]

Looks like an Audi Engine is going to be used..................

[ProtoTipo]

Did you know?
Although 2WD, the 6R4 was derived from the 1960s Rover P6BS V8. The 6R4s transmission design is very similar, as is the position of the engine.
This is probably why a Rover V8 fits a 6R4 bell housing.
I think the Rover mid engined concept car is still in Gaydon museum, so anyone going to the AGM can have a look.

[john]

I forsee an appearance on Mastermind for you Chris.
And why not?
I heard that the Rover V8 was originally a Buick design. Is that the same engine?
I remember that Rover prototype. I see design similarities with the Ginetta G15 there.
Wasn't this the same era that they were developing turbine technology too?

[Guy Mayers]

I look at that and see - a Fulvia rear screen! Or something very similar?

[ProtoTipo]

I heard that the Rover V8 was originally a Buick design. Is that the same engine?
I remember that Rover prototype. I see design similarities with the Ginetta G15 there.
Wasn't this the same era that they were developing turbine technology too?

Yes, the Rover 3.5 was originally a Buick engine.
John Tojeiro was instrumental in bringing the engine to the U.K. (pre Rover) for use in his mid engined sports racer, the 'Tojeiro EE'.
Incidentally, that's one good reason why Rover engined 289 Cobras shouldn't be looked down on.


I look at that and see - a Fulvia rear screen! Or something very similar?

It does look a bit Fulvia Coupe doesn't it Guy?

[ProtoTipo]

I have recently noticed more than one genuine 6R4 fitted with Jaguar AJ-V6.
As in, still with all the original 6R4 transmission.

[john]

Ah yes indeed Guy. Rear screen does look familiar.
I'm glad my own ageing brain remembered the Buick connection. After I posted I doubted myself thinking "was that the 2300 GM engine I was thinking of", reputedly a four cylinder engine being half of a V8, but now I'm thinking that was a Chrysler engine.
A good series for the tele would be 'Auto family trees'. Similar format to 'Rock family trees'.

[sean999r]

For the purists you can also buy the critical correct Transmission

http://www.6r4.co.uk/6R4Transmission.htm

[Darkspeed]

G15 - how dare you ....

All the best V6's are 90 degree.

[renmure]

I had some laps of Knockhill in one of the original works cars owned by the guy who wrote the computer game Lemmings. Being "hard core" I scoffed when he insisted we both wore noise cancelling headphones but went along with it to be agreeable. 20 mins later and I got out feeling like I'd been in the front row at a heavy metal concert whilst wearing a metal dustbin over my head and simultaneously battered with an anvil. It was pretty intense, harsh and mechanical.

[ProtoTipo]

I had some laps of Knockhill in one of the original works cars owned by the guy who wrote the computer game Lemmings. Being "hard core" I scoffed when he insisted we both wore noise cancelling headphones but went along with it to be agreeable. 20 mins later and I got out feeling like I'd been in the front row at a heavy metal concert whilst wearing a metal dustbin over my head and simultaneously battered with an anvil. It was pretty intense, harsh and mechanical.

I've been in one too Jim, for a short while. 'Took it down to scrutineering on the West Cork rally. 'Don't know what it's like after two days?
This car... (https://rallyretro.com/photo/view/63912/donegal-international-rally/richard-francis/1999)

[Neil63]

Amazing recreation concept. Believe they are talking ?300k+ reading the Pistonheads article. Remember being in chase car on RAC, Ulster, & Manx International c 1984 and seeing the likes of Billy Coleman ( who also drove a Stratos in 1976 I think). The 6r4 bucked the trend in being normally aspirated and a chopped down V8 block, instead of being turbo charged or, like the incredible Delta S4 being both Supercharged and Turbo charged. The 80s Group B era was, well just glad I was there to see it.

[Kenny m]

Done a forestry rally in one here in Ireland but unfortunately had gearbox problems halfway through the rally. Little nervous as running No2 on the road and the surface was quite loose but it would have been nice to have completed the event very different experience to the the Escort Cosworth on the stages.