Based in Shrewsbury it needs a full rebuild. Luckily it's already in bits.
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Guy
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Based in Shrewsbury it needs a full rebuild. Luckily it's already in bits.
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No connection to the seller.
Guy
And another even closer than the last one
That front end looks very
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Even has the big wing sneaking in
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Optimistic - anyone know it?
Corse GTO-
Quite a successful car in its day, Italian Intermark & British GT competitor. It is looking a bit sorry for itself these days though judging from those pics.
I worked on this chassis back in the day circa 1993/4. Lionel (Napiersport) was originally Litton cars southern agent, he ultimately purchased the original yellow demonstrator from Litton cars.
At some point in the early '90's this car was lost to a fire I think and the resultant insurance claim allowed Lionel to buy a replacement rolling chassis assembly from CAE.
This chassis was in the CAE workshops when I got back involved after being away at college. It was painted red at the time.
Once down south it evolved from a rally car thru to a semi successful circuit racer.
The front spoiler can be supplied on request.
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The replacement kit acquired by Lionel after UDN went up in flames actually became the so called 'Evo' Grp5 replica.
This particular car started life as Lionels Road car and evolved into a racecar under the Hennessey Racing banner , raced by Chris Snowdon and Tony Soper amongst others.
It was acquired by Graham Scott and raced in the Autoitalia series.
It was crashed at Donnington (?) and later brought to Cheshire for restoration/repair, but as I understand it costs and schedule of work could not be agreed and the project was abandoned.
Last time I saw it it was in lockup garage in Dorset. I did approach the owner with a view to acquiring it at that time but didn't get a response. I was told a few years back that it had been scrapped but obviously not.
There may even still be a valid V5 for this car somewhere.
I'm guessing it would have been road registered when being used as a rally car - but then not as the race car ! Chassis looks very similar - even with the poor focus
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/michae...n/photostream/
Looks to have been a very nice car at one point
I think Lionel still has the V5 though. Probably it became a racecar pre-SORN era?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkspeed
And knowing Lionels paperwork standards the V5 has been shoved in draw and forgotten about.
Something and nothing for ?15,000 - but how do you value something like that ?
Yes, some nice photos in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkspeed
Including one of Rut the Nut in a Spin!?
Or was it the other guy......?
I know John had robust views about the way the Corse was driven in the Autoitalia series. Best not drag that subject up again.
Vendor tells me the car still has its dog engagement box.
No, it did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
The Gp5 EVO was built from a Corse "I" Ferrari chassis which was a cancelled order from Japan.
This chassis was also supplied to Lionel from CAE..
The red chassis which became the GTO was a Corse "S" chassis and was known as the "insurance job"
Not what Lionel told me.
Nor what the photo records he showed me would suggest. But, what accurate informative came from his lips anyway.....
Hang on. I seem to recall the insurance chassis went to Andrew Dearing? Or again what I was told.
The Corse EVO Chassis-Quote:
Originally Posted by john
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The Corse I chassis it was built from-
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I'm not sure what photo records suggest otherwise.
There were only 4 Corse I Ferrari chassis made that I am aware of.
The first was modified back to an Alfa and is now in the US,
The 2nd is the one under the EVO
The 3rd is in Japan
The 4th I think is now also in Japan after languishing in a barn in the UK for many years.
A photo I took of the GTO in the paddock, when I went to watch John Rutter race his Hawk at Cadwell:
I'm well aware the Evo was built from an I type chassis.
What I was referring to was that UDN's demise led to Lionel starting the Evo project.
The insurance job replacement S chassis went to Andrew Dearing/Tony Favarin as far as I am aware, through Lionel, and that led on to Lionel acquiring the Evo I chassis. I'm pretty certain the replacement S chassis is not what we see under the GTO.
Lionel showed me his own photo album which showed his road car (probably contemporaneous with UDN) which certainly showed development firstly into a rally ar and then into a racecar.
He wrote all this down once I believe but given his propensity for rewriting history then anything could be true.
I've compared the dash shown in the photos of this car currently for sale, with the period photos of the cockpit of the Tony Soper car.
All the dash instruments match.
Was this car ever road registered? If Lionel has the V5 I think could it be requested from Swansea? Might make the difference between a sale or not if it could avoid an IVA test?
- LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Strat Fan
So we have a Evoluzione a GTO and mine the WTF. Thinking about that I may have to Ask CJ if he can do a WTF version of the HF logo for the door as well as the Strazio's for the door top ;)
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Originally Posted by Strat Fan
Air jacks ! - What was this car being built for?
It was being built for GT Racing.
The Privilege Insurance GT series I think.
As a successor to the GTO car being discussed here.
As it was told to me the powers that be would not accept it as the series was based on production GT's and I don't think the McLaren F1 owners relished the idea of being beaten by a budget car built in a shed. Or cowshed to be more accurate.
As it was told to me yes it was registered although probably incorrectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Mayers
I approached Lionel about the V5 some years ago and he said he still had it but wasn't willing to go further.
And that approach was solely for his own good, not mine.
John,
I take it this is the Graham Scott car having its prang in 2003.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQzQVSjDarA
The car is here at 4:30
and here at 6:45
Throughout the late '90's GT racing started to become overrun with bespoke race cars such as the Merc CLK GTR, Porsche GT1, Toyota GT1, Nissan R390 etc etc, rather than true GT cars - such as the Mclaren F1, Porsche 911, Lotus Esprit GT1, Marcos etc which were built as road cars first and then converted to race.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
To homologate these cars for racing the manufacturers had to prove they had built a road going version to make the race car eligible to go racing.
Something akin to the Stratos & 037 with rallying but there the numbers were higher.
By the time the EVO was (maybe) ready to go racing the rules were likely clamping down on the "specials" and with no road car version to homologate it the EVO would have become ineligible to take part in such events.
With the right engine it could have been competitive at some level but with the engine configuration used and lack of development/budget available then reliability was always going to be a challenge.
Yes indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by tomsredstratos
Well that did not hang about long !
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Anyone on here?
Not guilty.
Apparently two is enough.....
I wish someone had given me that advice with Ginetta's ... or projects in general
Looks like the buyer was Auto Integrale in Reading. Shell stripped off the chassis, chassis looks like it's been repaired/repainted but the project is now back on the market. No price noted on the Facebook post.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/9476...00063529542249
Guy
Good spot Guy.
The vendor has an…….optimistic interpretation of “90% complete” I feel!
?25k Mentioned in the comments, not a bad mark up from the ?15k or so it was advertised at before.
That's a good markup. Or not if they've spent ?10k in parts/labour/sub contract to strip it and paint the chassis. Suspect they might be cutting their losses but either way, it's a potential route into ownership for someone wanting a car and unable to wait?
Guy
Has it got a V5?
I can't see the advert/photos, because I don't do Facebook.
I don't want to buy it....
I have a massive biscuit tin of loose Lego bricks. Anything I want to make in Lego is about 90% complete!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NoCorseChris
I got to know Keith (owner of Auto Integrale) very well over the 7/8 years I owned my EVO 2. He's an absolute Gent. As well as a business man, obvs :-)
Cheers,
Hedge
I know someone else who travels there for services on his Evo2. Heard nothing but good stuff about them.
Guy
Keith rebuilt the 2 litre twin cam I have to go in the Allora. It looks the Bees Knees.
I messaged him a few times about the Corse. He actually bought it off Graham Scott who still owned it despite the advert being a bit misleading about where it was and who was selling it. Is it advertised with engine/ box etc?
The engine and box are shown in the photographs, I also suspect that it couldn't be described as 90% complete without them!Quote:
Originally Posted by john
Guy
I suspect, Guy, that the 90% refers to parts in the package rather than man hours to completion! For some reason I can't see the advert.
Search for Auto Integrale on Facebook?