Has anyone seen this before? Looks like they have been busy.
http://www.carteroni.co.nz/index.php...id=8&Itemid=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e-Usyg88OY
Tom.
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Has anyone seen this before? Looks like they have been busy.
http://www.carteroni.co.nz/index.php...id=8&Itemid=15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e-Usyg88OY
Tom.
I wish you hadn't shown me that Tom.
Perfect.......Right hand drive too!
Looks like they have made a lot of progress since I saw it mentioned last year/early this, nice to see they're serious about supplying kits, so who is on the lookout for a monte now...? Trouble is they tend to go for over £4k now, but I guess you could part it out to get some money back on it.
Peter
Totally awesome, I now also own a US model, a Lancia Scorpion, actually #20 in the production order. One magazine called it a watch pocket Stratos.
Ah yes, but would you want to butcher it to have a 037 replica?
Maybe there is a market for Criag et al to produce an 037 version of their chassis.......
Peter
Not #20, it is still fairly rust free, which is unusual for this part of the world. If I found a "parts" car, now that would be a different story.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteracs
That is I suspect the problem now as there are likely to be few of them left as parts cars, and any with the chassis ok, will be used as restores and priced highly as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by tipo158
That is why having a solution such as the Stratos replicas may make sense, rather than starting with a an old chassis.
Peter
That's funny, I just received an email from them (on their mailing list) with the youtube link above. I'm looking forward to seeing it in the metal...and glass.
There's such a minimum of the original Monte tub left for a proper 037 conversion Peter. Whatever rust is left in the very small tub wouldn't be much to tackle?Quote:
Originally Posted by peteracs
For example; every 'new' group 4 Escort shell built these days, nearly always needs a small amount of restoration before any fabrication begins, and there's a lot more shell to restore.
There is that and the work would be fairly small compared to full restore, however I suspect in the UK at least, there are likely to be few available in this state, hence from a future point of view, having a new centre secion fabricated like the current Stratos replicas I would have thought makes sense, though I have no knowledge of what is involved as to how practical it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
Peter
I think there are enough rusty ones still out there, and I think most potential owners would want an 037 replica based on the factory steel centre tub? Well I would?
I'd rather have had a Stratos rep with a steel tub too, but that's much more difficult and expensive than a Monte based car.
What about a spaceframe that has versions to accept both Monte steel tub or a fibreglass one?
In theory, I'd break this to make one.
Cheap Monte
You could sell all the stuff that you won't need.
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Original 037's were based on Monte spider centre tubs. Very nice as that one is, its a long way away. One of the Forum members HERE makes an exact 037 replica. I have hi res chassis/tub pics but unfortunately not on this pc, on my old one. Was very tempted but I have too many unfinished projects that'll probably take me the rest of my days to finish!
Is that because of the bubble roof, John?Quote:
Originally Posted by strat24v
For any replica, it has to be a steel tub at the very least? Don't you think?
Bubbles is correct, plain to see, both bits raised quite a bit. As for a steel centre tub then yes, it would have to be along with the correct tubular structures front and rear and also, for me, the correct uprights. Didn't know this originally but the front tube structure isnt linked into the roll cage at all, personally id want it linking correctly to the rest of the cage. I have drawings for the tube structures somewhere?
The Peter Collins book on the 037 is worth a read, plenty of info and stacks of colour pics.
Recently a "parts car" Lancia Scorpion was sold for $1700, it really wasn't a parts car as I purchased it form the guy who bought it for a parts car and saw that it was much more than that. He was not the guy who glued the new carpet on top of the old one, that was the guy he bought the car from. With only 1803 US modeld made, it might be hard, but not impossible to find a real "parts car". I've started my search.
About the recreation closeness. A friend of mine has a rally team, the father of one of his mechanics worked on the Lancia teams that used Stratos and 037s, he reviewed the web site and comment how close to original the recreation looked.
Threads like this are dangerous in terms of the amount of daydreaming they create!!
A quick search turned this up just 5 miles from my new work location:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/3251138041.html
I thought the best bet was a basket case rusty one. The bits that get cut off are usually whats replaced. So long as the screen pillars and roof bits are something like. As far as the mechanicals go, they arent worth a deal so why bother?
Here's a decent Spider in the UK but provisionally sold.... Might not be too late though!
http://www.lancia.myzen.co.uk/forum/...p?topic=5301.0
Personally I think that an 037 replica should be done with a Monte Carlo tub as a starting point! I do regret getting rid of the tub I had bit it wasn't practical to store it forever.... Prices for an original 037 make a replica feasible now, back when I considered it the cost of the kit built exceeded the cost of a Stradale 037 so it just didn't make any sense. Unfortunately I didn't have the spare cash for the Stradale at the time! I wonder how much it would cost to import?
At Rally Legends 2010 we visited a workshop where there were many cars being prepped. They also had spare subframes lying about.... Don;t know if they were available for sale though.
Guy
You can get an original spec car, tub supplied by yourself, for not a deal more than a Hawk kit.
I paid $2450 for my Scorpion just about a month ago, I will admit that I got a great deal. I know of a total basket case that the guy wants $3000 for, I think it is worth more like $500 for it's condition, plus it doesn't have a current title, and there is a big hole where the floor board used to be.
That one that Paul showed, stated it needed the front brakes rebuilt, more likely it needs the master cylinder replaced, I had to do that on mine, after replacing the front calipers didn't solve the problem.
OOOPPPSSSS how did that happen. Well yesterday I commited to purchase another Scorpion, listed as a parts car. I have all the pieces missing except the radiator. I purchased the car as a parts car, but one of the residuals is that I will also have a steel center section needed to create a 037 replica.
I've been in corresponance with these guys, they tell me that they had access to a real 037 to create their kit. He loved that fact that I was building a Stratos, he said their was a Startos at the same place where the 037 was that they used.
Hi,
someone knows from which car is the (light with turn signal) on the 037 ???
i found it it's Renault 4 from 82 and made by VALEO :)
I've got R4 headlamps!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat 131 Abarth#2
'Just realised that the 037 uses a lot more of the tub floor of a Monte than I first thought, and the originals have proper 'seagull' welding too.
and now i have purchased an Lancia Montecarlo, i have some Abarth parts,
i have ordered the 037 kit in Italy, the light with turn signal also.
and here the pictures like the way we will go!
That looks great, very similar to what the guys in New Zealand are doing. They are using a Gamma gearbox for their re-creations. For me it is about the same shipping cost whether I ship from Italy or New Zealand since I live on the west coast of the USA.
Hi Enzo,
You can buy the correct type of gearbox off the shelf:
ZF
Only £9582.00 !
Hi Chris,
the un gearbox from Renault 21/25 are good! Lambo kit car use them,
but i will use a VW Porsche 914/6 gearbox! if i found a good one!
we will see.
Enzo
Well, that's a good 'old school' gearbox?, and a proper mid engined one too? Rather than a rear engined one fitted upside down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat 131 Abarth#2
What engine are you going to use? A Lancia 8v VX would be the most appropriate on a budget?
I would stay steer clear of the Renault version, they were used for years in the kit industry because it was the only cheap available transaxle, suitable for fitting to Rover V8's but no more & have a poor gear change. The output drive flanges are low when fitted in a mid engined installation so expect to see drive shafts running uphill.
Porsche G50 variant is the most robust transaxle which is suitable for big power/torque applications, suitable for American V8 installations, the gear shift is positive & smooth. Gear linkage for a centre change is more interesting unless you do a cable conversion. Inverting the gearbox actually helps the driveshaft angle for the mid engine applications. The big down side is price, a stock 5 speed G50 used to be about £1500, now they are £3000 (Blame Ultima as they created a demand for the used boxes), A stock G50 doesn't have an LSD either so factor another £750 for a Quaife TB diff which do work very well. G50/50's are the best but they are like hens teeth, the later 6 speeds are very long & stick out of the back of the car along way (gear selector is the rear most item).
The best alternative these days is Audi, good solid transaxles which are capable of taking the torque of the modern TDI motors. Under £500 should find you a decent one. The only down side will be the output flange height, because the gearbox is installed the correct way round the output flanges will be 75mm below crank height.
Porsche 914/6 ok if you can find one & suitable for VX power.
i think someone of you know this engine! this it will be.
and here is a picture with 914/6 Gearbox, but i am open to all
suggestions we will see,
Craig you are right the price for Porsche G50 box is likely to expensive
i read in www. about the audi A4/6 gearbox also an solution.
Enzo
Craig,Quote:
Originally Posted by Strat Fan
Wouldn't that be too ironic?
The 037's arch rival.
That engine?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiat 131 Abarth#2
It will be good to make use of it.
I do wish you lot "in the know" wouldn't talk in riddles. Is this engine the VX unit that Andrew Taylor had in his car?
Or the one out of the Prototipo?