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Tom.
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http://rossclassic.com/forsale/lancia-stratos-group-4
Tom.
Don't suppose you could get us some discount Tom ?..... LOL...... I will dream tonight
If the restored wreck/remains of Chequered Flag 'Stratos 2' (Gary Fitz car, Japan - HERE) carries 1637, and that 24v car that was for sale recently in Switzerland (HERE) carries 1716, what chassis number does the ex Lord Mexborough car have?
This car is the ex Lord Mexborough car, and the only surviving CF car. I preferred it with its patina though, and its correct colour scheme with original paint (see HERE). This car (CF3) never carried the black roof version of the CF colour scheme!
It says 'fuel injection' but they look like IDFs to me?
Excellent CJ !!Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
Ta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernard
I'd like to know what others think?
When Lord Mexborough had that car, it was fresh from the last BBC televised RallySprint event. Everything untouched and original. Then this happens...
To top it all, there's 5 bar plate in the footwells,.... eesh!
You want to know what others think?
Well I think this is another advert (hot on the heels of that last one which didn't quite "add up" for the chassis and parts....)
attempting to dress something dodgy up as legitimate.
As you say CJ, legitimate car or not, getting rid of the patina which tells us a story is tantamount to sacrilege.
I guess in the Chequered Flag days, whether the car had a dodgy identity or not was not very significant. When you are asking a lot of money for something it IS.
I don't believe that consideration of import duty had anything to do with what chassis number went on that car.
Another case of buyer beware, but in saying that I'd still LOV1(t) if I could afford it!
If that was the Rallysprint held at Donnington Park I will have some old slide's in the loft ..... cos "I was there"..... Tony Pond, Russell Brookes John Watson Nigel Mansell Stig (the one and only) Pentti Arrikala etc etc excellent !Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
Hi John,Quote:
Originally Posted by john
This car is absolutely 100% the original CF3 car. The information on the advert is accurate and very honest.
As you say, it's the getting rid of nearly all of the patina that's the bad thing.
At least all the dashboard items are retained, even the original gear stick knob and the Moto-Lita steering wheel. The seats are new. It used to have Paddy Hopkirk 'Billover' seats.
If the older colour scheme (which I'm sure this car never had) was done correctly, as far as CF2 goes, the 'Chequered Flag' lettering should be in a gentle arc on the rear sides. It used to follow the arc of the top of the panel. It was straight on one version of CF1 though, but this isn't CF1.
Oh yes, I realize this is CF3. The point I'm making is that CF3 was probably dodgy!
In those days, even if not quite legal, it really didn't matter. Now it does.
It's could be no better than a kit car with a dodgy registration history in the eyes of the DVLA.
Whoever owns it or will own it in the future is unlikely to have any problems though. It has an established identity even if it is, as I say, somewhat dodgy initially.
Great detail knowledge by the way!
Looks like this one PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by Bernard
Welsh RallySprint 1982
Here's one of the Donington ones:
Donington Rallysprint
Yes, you mean the chopping and changing of IDs back in day isn't helping to establish the car as being pukka today?Quote:
Originally Posted by john
This car is the opposite of some of the 'works' Minis and Escorts that exist only on paper, but have come back to life. For example, there is no disputing the copper bottomed provenance of the three Monte winning Minis currently on display in Gaydon museum, but there are a good few 'log book only' works Minis out there. People who know, know which is which, but you're a brave man to start pointing the finger. People get very upset, even though they've really no right to.
That's absolutely what I mean Chris, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
And I also reiterate that it's not likely to be a problem for either current owner or future owner.
I wonder why it's for sale in Malta.....?
I know of one 1960/70's Ford specialist breaker who is allegedly living a happy retirement in the Med somewhere on the proceeds of the sale of a whole batch of log books.
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Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
GREAT.............Stratos properly driven By Bjorn and also "Pondy" shows everyone how to drive a Rover !!
Such a shame its lost all its Patina and so new looking especially with its 'Rich' history, to me it told part of the of the story behind it.
As others have said, another advert that says more about the current owners than the car itself. (that 'new' Chassis without any 40 year old surface rust went for over 50k Euros in the Greek auction)
Shame if the Reg number gets separated from it too, all part of its History.
Excellent, thanks for that. When I told my brother-in-law earlier this year that I was going to build a Stratos replica he dug out some photos of the Chequered Flag Stratos that he'd taken at that 1982 RallySprint at Esgair Dafydd in 1982 when an 18 year-old spotty-faced rally-mad youth. He loved the Stratos too and had toyed with the idea of building one but had too many other projects on the go, not least a young family. He gave me the photos to keep. I wasn't sure why, I'd have been just as happy with scans. That's what I'd have done if the situation had been reversed, give scanned copies and keep the originals for myself. Little more than a week later, just two weeks after his 50th birthday, he dropped dead. It was totally out of the blue, he'd have been last in the line of candidates to drop dead from a heart attack given the usual risk factors. Funny he gave me those photos.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo