STRATOS REGISTRATION IN EUROPE

Good evening to everybody!

It is a huge pleasure to be finally able to find time to build my OWN Stratos.

Unfortunately if you resides in Italy and you are Italian it becomes a nightmare to register the new car.

I think this issue is not only affecting me but I think also other members.

I shot some emails and I d like to thank Guy, Enzo, Marcolino and Ian for precious help received.

Let me wrap up what came out: basically it is impossible to have it registered in Italy passing through TUV in Germany (once was doable, around 10 yrs ago; not now.).
Even worse trying directly in Italy.
The same goes via DVLA and then through TUV in Germany.

Stuck.

Is there anybody that can provide some help/experience or succeeded in doing it in Europe?

All help is warmly welcomed and thanked!

Alex

I can only speak for Germany! up to date 2017

New Kit Car absolutely not impossible about the EURO 6 norm and
material appraisals from TÜV for (Frame and Glassfibre).

Used Kit Car only with date of first registration in V5 from 1988 or older! EURO 1 norm.
With the date of the first registration after 1988 only with a lot of bureaucracy. :(

i hope this helps.

saluti Enzo

THX Enzo, not only with a lot of beaurocracy plus, according to what TUV told me today via phone call, from 10K to 25K euro......just to start.... :(

I think I better forget to go through TUV...unless I wanna pay more for the registration than for the car.

Gentlmen anybody has nothing better than this??

Otherwise Europe is sinking for beaurocracy.....

I think I m going back to register it in UK then move it to...where???

Here in Holland Registration has also become more difficult.
The best thing here is to buy an older kitcar with a registration that was before 1995 ( i think ). You don't pay tax on a new car and you can comply to the emmision norms from that registration.
Witha new kit You can go via the IVA in the UK and then import the car to Holland. But if its a new kit it wil get a new date of first registration so the car wil have to comply to new emmision norms from that date. That is not impossible but then the Taxes come collecting some money for new cars, we call it "slurptax" . This tax is calculated from the amount of grams CO2 emmision and weight of the car. For a super seven ( light car ) it is estimated at about 6000 Euros i think a Stratos will be at about 10 - 15.000 Euros. So no fun in building here, well fun in building but not afterwards.
I wil have the same problem getting my 037 on the road, i can not use the old registration because i change to much. In Holland we have to use 2/3 of the old car in order to keep the old registration. Rules keep changing, hopefully they change for the better again, but that wil be wishfull thinking :(. So i start saving or sell the Alpine when the 037 is finished.
Strange thing is that a Diesel engine would be far more cheaper in Tax but to throw a Diesel in a Stratos :mad:
Speaking of diesel, just got word that the first Diesel kit got through Dutch "IVA" and registration and is on the road soon. I hear some more people are trying diesel, after all the LeMans Audis were also diesel. But still....in a Stratos....no way.
Another choice is to go for a kind of IVA in Holland itself but that is more expensive and difficult and stil leaves you with taxes.
Best here is to get an older car like in Germany.
Not much help sorry to say.

Reading all this beurocratic nonsense makes me realise how lucky I am to be in Britain, just a shame around half the population and 70 percent of MP's don't realise it as well!!!!

I will go the English way. Which means after I finished the project I have to return the completed car to Lister Bell. They will arrange English registration. I will import the car to the Netherlands. Because England in (still) in the European Union the Dutch "RDW" have to accept the car. It could be the same in Italy. However you will have to hurry because it seems the Brexit will go on within 2 years. Nobody can predict what will be possible after the Brexit.

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Originally Posted by Stephan

Nobody can predict what will be possible after the Brexit.

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Ain't that the truth! Even those who we pay to predict it, and especially those who get "elected" to do the same!

Just to bumpo this thread with another question...

I'll be selling my Transformer this summer, and as part of the possible market is mainland Europe, it would be good to have an idea of what potential buyers there need to know.

Mine was built in 1998 and registered as "Transformer" and with a ZLA-------- chassis number. I think that's a Lancia number, as I guess at the time Transformer didn't issue chassis numbers, and the number came from the original donor.

Does that make sense? And do we know if that makes it difficult/impossible to re-register in particular EU countries?

1998 will probably be too new for the continent.
If the recorded date of registration on the V5 is earlier, (like the donor's period reg. that most pre IVA cars had) that should help. Or more likely to be viable.

Is your car the 'Nick M.' one?

The assigned registraton number has a B prefix, from 1984/5, if my maths is right? I don't know Nick M, but mine was Elliot's red/white one (Donnan's?)

With the £:euro rate changes, it must be very tempting for Europeans to source from the UK, but it looks like a bureaucratic minefield on the date/VIN/etc issues.

The likes of Frederic, Enzo and Pim will know best.

Ah, Elliott's old (ex Roger Donnan) car?
I would say, European reg. viability or not, you're likely to get considerably more than you paid for it.

For sure!
Europe becomes now an attractive market where these cars are valuable because rare and difficult to find with correct registration!

With rate €/£ that's very interesting to buy a replica in UK and imports in Europe but laws are more and more strict and severe for obtaining registration in this side of the Channel !

In France only replicas with 30 years old are road legal!!
For new ones it's a long expensive and uncertain process to obtain homologation and registration!
Patience and Good luck for succeeding...

as I guess at the time Transformer didn't issue chassis numbers, and the number came from the original donor.

Transformer DID have chassis numbers..... you will find it normally on the back face of the rear chassis on the top left hand side (If memory serves)..... at that time it will possibly be a Spyder chassis
When I registered Eric, which would about be at the same time, the DVLA Centre in Nottingham told me to put a separate plate on the car with the donor Lancia Beta chassis number stamped on !!..... at the time they were making it up as they went along !!

Someone will tell you exactly how the Transformer chassis number system works..... it has SPY (Spyder) then year then individual number I think ?

Phil

Chassis numbers are stamped in two places on Transformers. If you stand behind the car it's on the top left corner of the chassis on the vertical surface and also on the brake servo bracket at the top looking at it from the front of the car.
My chassis is SPY8805048 - this decodes as a Spyder chassis, from 1988, May, and it the 48th chassis made.
Guy

Thanks chaps. I'll have to get over to the storage unit and take a look. I only have the V5 with me at the moment.

Am talking to a fellow member in Holland and he had found another Lancia-donor Stratos, but it was impossible to register in Holland. Will report back on what we find out.

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Originally Posted by Guy Mayers

Chassis numbers are stamped in two places on Transformers. If you stand behind the car it's on the top left corner of the chassis on the vertical surface and also on the brake servo bracket at the top looking at it from the front of the car.
My chassis is SPY8805048 - this decodes as a Spyder chassis, from 1988, May, and it the 48th chassis made.
Guy

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cheers Guy

OK gentlemen, sorry for the silence but pretty busy with moving of my house ( a nightmare....) anyway it is done.

Back to Stratos-mania.

At this point I do not know what to do. Going back to UK, while UK "still" in Europe and then re-register it in Italy or try where in Europe? I cannot believe it is so hard:mad::mad::mad:.

Is there anybody that has recently registered the car in UK? If so, pls, it is possible to know all the steps that he had to do before have it registered???

Thank you again to everybody for help.

Ciao

In the UK we have the IVA system which makes it easy for us to build & register a car using the age of the donor car to set the emissions standard for the new vehicle. In the past the date of first registration of the donor vehicle was sometimes (not always) transferred onto the new registration document & this worked well for exporting cars to mainland Europe. This process was slightly random and you could also get cars built using an old donor car on the age related scheme which were then issued with a new registration which is also wrong.
The main issue over the last few years is that all kit cars registered using the IVA scheme are now issued with a date of first registration relative to the year which is passed its IVA. So as an example if you built a car now using a 1998 Alfa 156 donor car & IVA'd this year using the age related route you would get a UK V5 registration document for the new car which says Date of first registration 2017, you would then be issued with a previously unused registration from 1998 (the year of the donor car) & on the front page of the V5 it would detail the emissions standard that the car would have to pass on an MOT test. Are you confused yet? So we now have a 2107 car with a 1998 registration plate & a 1998 emissions standard (which in this case is Euro 2).
The problem is that when you now try to take that car into Europe the only thing they will look at is the date of first registration which is 2017, the registration number is irrelevant to them as it only means something in the UK & we can fit an older registration to a newer car anyway. The emissions standard for 2017 car in Europe is Euro 6 which the Alfa engines do not meet so they would therefore fail an EU MOT test unless you can prove that the car should only have to pass a Euro 2 test. The other issue is taxation & road tax rates, I understand that the new car tax on a 2017 car in Italy would be a lot, I think that the annual road tax on a large engined car would also be prohibitive.
In brief you would be best advised to find an older pre built and registered Hawk replica which is firstly correctly registered & secondly has a date of first registration of something like 1988. This way it may be possible to import the car to Italy as a classic and you would therefore only have to meet 1988 emission standards & pay classic car tax relative to 1988.

Strat Fan...thx 4 the Lectio Magistralis!
Outstanding.
Point is i dont want a prebuild car, i want 2 build it.
IVA system and its outcome is clear.
Taxation in Italy 4 a 2017 car with that power....it is crazy.
Now i want to check if there is in italy the chance to re use your registration number (the oldest date referred to the car) ik order to have thevregistration going back to the date of the donor car. That would be perfect 4 taxation & emissions.
I ll PM to u.

Alex