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Transformer arrives in Colchester
Just joined having achieved a bucket list purchase of a "Stratos" which I need to bring back to life!
first will be belt change then new ignition lock and fuel pressure check. Then hopefully get her going.
any thoughts on the rather rare 285 40 15's. Would like some Pirellis but am guided to new Michelins TB15 at 295 40 15 - I have Comptmotive alloys which I do not want to change at the moment.
cheers
Tim
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Slowly getting the beast back to life.
Cambelt change, waterpump change, injectors stripped and rebuilt by local expert and tested (4 out of 6 fully gummed up to start with), service alternator as it requires the fuel tank out .....
Now I need some help. The pic is of the rear bank of the 164 V6 3.0 12v. What does the chrome ball vavlve do. I assume it should either be a blanking plug or some sort of cooling system pipe????
Any advice??
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Lancialulu
Slowly getting the beast back to life.
Cambelt change, waterpump change, injectors stripped and rebuilt by local expert and tested (4 out of 6 fully gummed up to start with), service alternator as it requires the fuel tank out .....
Now I need some help. The pic is of the rear bank of the 164 V6 3.0 12v. What does the chrome ball vavlve do. I assume it should either be a blanking plug or some sort of cooling system pipe????
Any advice??
There is normally a plug in that hole - it is the low point in the block for draining the coolant from that side of the block - there is another in a similar place on the other side..
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Thanks Neil.
obvious really but thanks for pointing this out. I may just leave it as a handy way of draining as I expect to change the coolant a number of times as the engine clears its self of residues. Then I will antifreeze it.
Tim
ps any other Strato'ists in around Colchester Essex way?
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Got the exhaust back from Zirotech.....
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"Shades" runs under her own steam and sounds the Busso business.
However to start it I have to disconnect the AFM then it fire and runs very rich plugging the AFM back in calms things down but is running very lean till it gets some sort of temperature. Thereon it is fine a revs sweetly, popping and banging a bit from high overrun.
It runs up to temperature (bleeding the system was a challenge but getting the last bit of air out of the top hose on the thermostat housing got things moving round). Oil pressure is good.
Any thoughts on the AFM (type 0280202201). It came with the 12v 3l along with the harness and Motronic ECU (type 0261 200 117). The previous owner said when he had the car running some long time ago he had to unplug the AFM to get it to start so it has been a problem since the engine was installed.
The AFM has a 5 wire plug. Does anyone have any info on this particular type of Bosch AFM? Are there any sensors it needs (I have not found out if it has for example a manifold air temperature sensor.....)
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Hi Tim,
I have just got my Stratos through the IVA/Registration hurdles and I am now on the road! I have a slight set back and have to spend a couple of days playing with fibreglass but I will soon be running again. I am telling you this as I live near Ipswich and would be keen to visit.
I'll PM you when I am back on the road and hopefully I can come and visit.
Good luck getting your motor sorted, Paul
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Paul
I sent you a PM!
Tim
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I think I have narrowed down the reason not starting when cold.
After thinking about it and opening the lid on the AFM no fault found and air temp sensor worked to spec with a hairdryer and multimeter. Car starts with it unplugged as it demands maximum richness on open circuit.
So round the other side and looked at the coolant sensor which I had read is what is used by the M4.1 to decide injector on duration (richening of mix). The sensor was reading as per spec but when I examined the connector the black earth wire had been sheared in two places near the connector. Ah ha found it, so soldered in a new wire and jumped to start the car. No joy. out with the multimeter and it looks like the signal wire is open circuit somewhere as infinite ohms with the ignition on. A job for another day.......
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One step forward, another back Tim!
Spare ECU in the post today second class, should be there by the weekend.
Guy
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Cheers Guy!
will we see you at NEC?
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Originally Posted by
Lancialulu
I think I have narrowed down the reason not starting when cold.
After thinking about it and opening the lid on the AFM no fault found and air temp sensor worked to spec with a hairdryer and multimeter. Car starts with it unplugged as it demands maximum richness on open circuit.
So round the other side and looked at the coolant sensor which I had read is what is used by the M4.1 to decide injector on duration (richening of mix). The sensor was reading as per spec but when I examined the connector the black earth wire had been sheared in two places near the connector. Ah ha found it, so soldered in a new wire and jumped to start the car. No joy. out with the multimeter and it looks like the signal wire is open circuit somewhere as infinite ohms with the ignition on. A job for another day.......
after a lot of tracing I found the coolant temperature sensor wire open circuit just 5cm from the engine connector. You would not know as the brown pvc insulation was intact. This break was a similar distance as the sheared earth line reported above.
Anyway with everything back together I turned the ignition key and "Shades" fired into life! Yippee....and instant throttle response. :D
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Great news Tim! Back on the road soon?
Guy
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Nicely detected! Not easy to find that kind of problem.
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Thanks John. Found some stuff about Motronic 4.1 on the web and it pointed straight there. Does SEC have an online resource for this sort of stuff?
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Lancialulu
Thanks John. Found some stuff about Motronic 4.1 on the web and it pointed straight there. Does SEC have an online resource for this sort of stuff?
NO but I'm happy to make a Tech resource section...
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Of course nearly there with the rebuild of the interior (double bulkhead hiding all the ecu and related relays .... Needed to be fitted so the carpeting and seats could go in), and then found it would not start urgghh. Anyway seemed the fuel pump had given up (found on taking to pieces that it had eaten some of the collaspsed rubber supply pipe which I had already changed - warning to everyone with 20 year old cars these pipes do not last) so ordered a pattern part off ebay, and guess what it is wired in opposite to the Bosch.... Sorted so car starts and water circulates (after bleeding the top hose - for some reason the thermostat bleed does not get enough of the air out of the hose as it runs down the bulkhead). I also finesed the gear change which before was very stiff but now is slick. All electrics work and I have the new tyres to fit once I have polished up the alloy rims. Then an Mot when there is a weather window.
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MOT and no advisories so "Shades" now legal!!
Loving the drive of her and getting used to Transit size holes to leave while going down the road!!!
Proprietorial gratuitous photo of vhb (very happy bunny).
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lancialulu
mot and no advisories so "shades" now legal!!
Loving the drive of her and getting used to transit size holes to leave while going down the road!!!
Proprietorial gratuitous photo of vhb (very happy bunny).
excellent.... Well done !!.......... Will you be keeping it tucked up when salt appears on the roads ?
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Great to see it back on the road Tim - I'll tell Gary the news when I see him in the next week or so! I hope he has no regrets about selling it and until the snow arrives, get out there and get used to it! After you've changed the throttle cable.
Guy
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Yes Guy. It is taxed so thats the incentive. The sticky throttle cable is interesting as it gives quite a few unintentional kicks in the back.
more interesting is in the little run out I have just done I found it very twitchy as I approached the legal limit. I did not check the geometry/toe in until I was able to drive it, and it feels as the Americans would say - very loose. I suspect incorrect toe in a major contributor and also tyre pressures.
does anyone want to give me some pointers. It is a Transformer with Spyder chassis and 131 hawk uprated uprights, 15 inch wheels with 215 50 14 TB15 front and 295 40 15 TB15's rear. Currently 24psi all round.
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No specific Transformer experience, but tyre pressures seem high.
Dropping them calmed Frederics Corse down. A little.....
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Initial rough geometry check shows 3mm toe in and 1.5 neg camber on o/s wheel and .5 neg on nearside. Need to get turn tables to check castor....
Not as out as I had hoped....
Dropped front tyre pressure to 22psi. Is this low enough. Tyres I now see are 55 profile not 50 so a bit higher side wall. New and sticky though.
Also lost a litre of water somewhere in 20 odd miles. Explains why the fan came on as I got home but where has this gone as no leaks and engine ran absolutely fine. Could be the last of the air coming through the system while driving???
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Still too high on front pressures.
you need lots of castor on the front.
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I can see that the chalk line (or pyrometer even) technique might not be very useful if there are doubts about geometry/alignment but, besides the seat-of-the-pants method ...
Isn't there a way to calculate correct(ish) tyre pressures using a factor (of manufacturer's stated max pressure to max weight for the specific tyre) applied to the car's actual weight on each corner (or axle weight/2)?
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ChrisCar6
Still too high on front pressures.
you need lots of castor on the front.
Chris is 4 degrees as per Lancia spec enough. I am going to try to assess what I have today.
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Thanks Phil
At this stage I would rather like to find out if we are in the right ball park and if not make some adjustment and see if this calms things down. I will want it done as accurately as possible in the final analysis, but who knows the right setting other than factory kpi10 camber -1 castor 4???
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My settings are:-
Front 4.5 deg caster, 2.0 deg neg camber and 0.5 deg toe-in.
Rear 1.5 deg neg camber and 0.5 deg toe in.
1.5 degree negative camber on the front probably better for a road car. The rear negative camber may be too much for Group IV rear?
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Chris what tyres/sizes do you run?
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A more conventional road set up would be-
Front- 0.5 to 1.0 degrees negative camber, 10 minutes toe in (total).
Rear- 0.5 degrees negative camber, 20 minutes toe in (total),
Tyre pressures- 17 to 21psi front, 21 to 24psi rear.
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in sorting out n/s camber by adjusting lower transverse arm (has an adjustable inboard rose joint) this has thrown the tracking out.
Two questions.
1. To adjust tracking toe in/out can the steering rack end be turned after loosening the lock nut on the track rod end, or should the track rod end be disconnected and turned in or out? Hawk Herald rack.
2. Adjust castor is the solely by adjusting the bottom leading link (adjustable rose jointed)??
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Hi Tim, there should be an outer track rod with an adaptor between it and the steering arm with a locknut on it, slacken this off, vice grips on the steering arm and spanner on the adjuster and screw the steering arm in or out as necessary.
Castor is adjusted on the leading link by lengthening or shortening in. I wound as much on as I could get but you have to watch that this doesn't drag the wheel so far forward in the arch that it fouls on the bodywork. The only caveat really is the inner mount on the lower wishbone, if it's rubber it's going to be under a little more strain and won't last forever. If it's rose jointed then no issues!
Craig has mentioned tyre pressures, i run towards the lower end with 225*50*15 on the front, back end has no camber with 345*35*15s.
Guy
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Lancialulu
Chris what tyres/sizes do you run?
205/50 15" front, 215/45 15" rear.
I would go with Craig's advice, not mine!
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hi Tim
Always set your ground clearance first before setting up your suspension, as it will change the castor settings if done later and keep the front end lower than the rear to keep the under car air pressure negative as it flows from front to the rear of the car
ken
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Ground clearance 16cm front 16.9cm rear. Camber -1 front, 0 rear. Working on castor as it was 4 degrees initially. Think I will up this to 5.
Tyre pressures 18psi front 22 rear.
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Got to be moving in the right direction there. Pardon the pun....
Maybe a tad more rake on the chassis. Another cm or so. Does that affect your camber too much?
Looking for some fine weather to try it out?