Ex Denys Jones, Richard Craig and Mark from near Selby who's surname I can't remember at this time in the morning: (it might be 'Thorley'?)
Hawk in Pirelli colours
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Ex Denys Jones, Richard Craig and Mark from near Selby who's surname I can't remember at this time in the morning: (it might be 'Thorley'?)
Hawk in Pirelli colours
Very nice Hawk! Which engine is powered? 3.0 24v?
Thank goodness it's not the usual put together amateur kit....
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It's perfectly feasable to convert this car to LHD should the new owner want to go that route but the work involved isn't straight forward involving a new dash, pedal assembly, centre tunnel, rear bulkhead (unless it's fully flat - can't remember!), seats moving slightly across the floorpan and upper seat belt mounts repositioning. A new steering rack will be needed and also moving slightly across it's mountings. If anyone considers going that route I'd suggest a change of dash style to Group 4 would be worthwhile.
In terms of registration the logbook may say Lancia but if it's still described as a Beta that may cause issues. It'll certainly need to be updated to reflect the new engine number and capacity and I suggest that's the vendor's responsibility to deal with before it's sold on.
Caveat Emptor!
Going to watch this one, I suspect that it'll sell quickly, it ought to be UK road tax exempt now too. It may also be one that could be imported direct to the USA due to age of registration?
Guy
What does 'The gearbox also checked and everything done to the highest of standards,and is mated to a Ferrari 250 Gto drivetrain/gearchange' mean??
The gear change quadrant is a Ferrari one. Not sure if it's 250GTO but if I saw picture of it I could compare it to the mental picture I have from 20 minutes as a passenger at Aintree eace circuit back in 1995 in Steve Pilkington's 1963 250 GTO...
Name dropping? Moi?
Believe YBL2T is still registered as a Lancia Beta. It may need an IVA test if an MOT tester gets picky?
Guy
As seen at a Garage Day, 9 years ago. NINE YEARS?!!
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9 years, but none of you look a day older than...ummm.... old people :)
Nehe Norm, Richard has the neck and the hair cut of an 18 year old, and the s-d still looks like that!!!! 9 Years ago he probably was 18.
I don't get it, every kit car with incorrect v5 has people jumping up and down about it being incorrect. My car has a lancia beta v5, purely because that's the donors.
Why is this one different, I know thre was an amnesty about incorrect registrations, but as stated before, there's no proof this has ever had sva or iva.
I don't think it is different Steve. We dont know if it says Beta on the V5 do we?
The advertiser states it says Lancia on the V5. That's not strictly true is it? As we know it was common for kit cars to end up with the same ID as the donor. Others ( my Allora certainly) states Allora on the V5.
The amnesty intention was to make sure cars were correctly described without having to go through test.
Doesn't look like this one was corrected.
But if its going to end up abroad it doesn't really matter.
Robin, the neck Richard has is made of brass :) :)
Steve, I don't understand that either. It's gone all this time registered as it is so what's the problem? Was actually speaking to Richard today and he told me there's some sort of official letter with the car that confirms it's registered correctly... so I guess all those worries are moot in this case! Anyway, what're the chances of any policeman or other official person knowing what a Lancia Beta looks like, and something Stratos-shaped ain't it?
That's true Norm. It shouldn't actually matter if it was staying in the UK either. Let's face it, when you take a Stratos rep in for MOT the guys in the station are more interested in the car than the description on their screen.
I think you'd have to encounter a right jobsworth for it to be raised as an issue.
As the cars are also usually insured by specialists then az long as you tell them you are insuring a Stratos replica then it shouldn't be an issue.
One caveat on that though, if you have a big claim and the underwriters get involved, if the car is clearly not described correctlyon the V5, then it might be an issue.
The potential issue for the car is that it may not be correctly registered. My car was "incorrectly registered" and I put it through the amnesty back in the day and managed to retain the age related plate and date of first registration. The description on the logbook changed from Lancia Beta Coupe to Hawk HF3000.
This car has continuous history from the 1980's in it's current form, carries the correct (donor) chassis number but didn't go through the amnesty and hasn't been through the SVA/IVA test. As such there is a risk to any prospective owner of a refusal of an MOT test (because it's not a Lancia Beta) but there is also a risk as the registration document doesn't disclose the correct engine number. So what's the result of any refusal? I suspect loss of the entitlement to the current registration and need to be presented for an IVA test in a form that it'll pass and will almost certainly end up with a "Q" plate. This might restrict it's saleability outside the UK depending on it's declared date of first registration? This is the worst case scenario I see. Which rarely comes to pass but for a sale outside the Uk with the need to satisfy local registration requirements I can't comment on. Hence Caveat Emptor!
Guy
Caveat Emptor indeed, but that's true when buying any car that's been put together by some unknown person :)
I have great faith in the general inertia and uselessness of government bodies, staffed as they are by underpaid, overworked and unmotivated peeps. So stuff such as what it's called on the V5 isn't that big a deal for me, so long as the chassis and engine numbers match. And a V5 is all about uniquely identifying a particular car, so it's Job Done. I do get that others might be worried about these things, but being at the age that I am, I've got bigger fish to fry (if I was any good at cooking, anyway) and my time seems to be mainly occupied by doing this Internet stuff and generally doing enjoyable things as far as poss, which as a pensioner is as it should be ;)
That's not to say you shouldn't go into these purchases with your eyes closed, but y'know....keep a sense of perspective!
Well seller confirmed it is lancia beta, with engine number and donor chassis number, no different to me not bothering with iva and just using the donor info.
Wow that’s a big rise in one day...:p
That's one helluva price hike ! He must have been knocked over by prospective customers rushing to buy it !
Bl----y ell, I've just had to sit down in a darkened room !!!!!
Yes, but it is 99.9% authentic and originals are 500k plus......
What would it cost to build a GTO tech or Marchesi based steel tub car with an actual Dino engine? £120k plus?
No longer available now.
Was there anywhere in the photos or description which actually identified what engine was fitted in this car?
I was merely quoting his newest listing rather than trying to make a point.
I'm clearly not the person to ask about pricing as this already double what I'd have thought for the spec.
It looks tidy for sure and the interior looks good but showing a picture of a rusting GAZ damper and claiming they are the business in suspension is a bit ott.
It's now a new ad without pictures (car being prepared for sale, it says). I guess this is because it's a bit naughty to hike the price of an advertised car like that, so just pull the original listing and do another one.
I think it's well OTT meself, after all it's not a new build - I've not seen it, although some on here have, but I reckon it was already pushing it at the previous price. I know I've gone on about values before and this is proof of what I was saying, that a decent Strat rep is worth a whole hill of beans these days, but it'll be interesting to see what happens with this one.
I assume no-one on here will be buying it, not after seeing what it was advertised for previously....but you could always make a cheeky offer, if he's cheeky enough to raise the asking price by about 60% ;)
Relisted here John, item description says it's 12v 3.0 V6.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-ST...UAAOSwryBgImqU
I asume photos to follow!
Guy
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LANCIA-ST...UAAOSwryBgImqU
Price now £109 950.00..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Value of yours, Guy? Well, as you know, provenance can have a big effect on price, so..... ;) :-P
All a little tongue in cheek but last year Frederic said he could probably line me up with a French buyer at around €150k... I might have been tempted if the second car had been finished and sold because it might have allowed me to build a steel chassied replica with a Dino motor. But I don't think there would be much change from the sale proceeds of two cars once finished. If any.
Guy
Imagine how high it would go with new ITB's
Jus' sayin'
:p
I was only half-joking about the provenance. It's generally accepted that yours is one of, if not the, best Hawks around, so its value would be well above average. However, it could well be worth less in the hands of a subsequent owner, because then it's not "the Guy Mayers Hawk", it's "the EX-Guy Mayers Hawk" and who knows what's happened to it since it was yours?
I'd suggest this particular car discussed here doesn't have anything like such a distinguished pedigree and if yours realised £150K, this was more realistic at its original price.
Whatever price it eventually realises, it should be heartening to all current owners, no matter the condition of their cars, as they're ALL worth something!
As for being lined up with a French connection....hmmm.... smacks a little of the old "honey trap".... I've seen those films :)
I see.
Blimey, apparently it would be worth 140-170 k as a lhd.
Tell you what pal, I'll convert it for you for £20k.
...Much more for this another Pirelli Hawk with EU registration still for sale in Andorra :p
Already discussed on the forum but a more realistic price would be around 100-150k€ with correct registration!
https://www.classiccarsandorra.com/lancia-stratos