Old and corroded John! They've been soaking in oil/diesel/anything else I can think of for over 2 weeks now and they aren't letting go! Hence scrap time! i haven't looked too hard for someone to overhaul them, I'd read on the Supersite that Leda weren't trading anymore but that there was someone able to service them. All in all, not worth bothering in my case now!CheersGuy
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