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    new member in wales building a hawk

    hi to all. my friends call me jock being a Scotchman and im living in wales i have been given the opportunity to build a hawk stratos for a friend.i new very little about this car four weeks ago but have been crashing coursing ever since started on the spanners on Friday )would haply take any advice that any one wants to give .i have on my hands to start with currently! kit grp 4 smooth arch hawk kit with up graded rose joint arms ect setup with coil-over kit gold top mounts rear, front hubs gold 5 x98 upgrade. original build planed was based round 3.0 v6 12v and there is a few more parts provided by hawk. but after a bit of home work on this site, and on the bases the car is to be sold once built, this may not be the best way forward so iv found a 3.0 24v gtv donor car. giving a v5 which there isn't presently, my currant concerns are that the kit was built to accommodate the above mention 12v which is present and newly recondition, also present, gear box and ecu from 164. which i believe you use lancer beta shafts with lancer integrale outer cv joint and 5 stud flang with a fso front wheel bearing to fit current rear hubs . does this change if i go to 24v application seems il need to keep reading what i can any advice welcome .will post some pics soon in the new build section when i can work out why i cant read some of the section on the site .i really didnt think id ever get the chance to build a kit car but now i have the chance im taking it, as i say shit or bust!!should be fun to trade story's with you guys taking on the same challenge ,and a laugh for some of the seasoned members watching us pulling our hair out but hopefully giving a bit of advice before your bold

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    What happened to Guy's response to this post?

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    Quote Originally Posted by Stratos Fear View Post
    What happened to Guy's response to this post?
    This is a new and different thread. Guy's response is still there.

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    Hi (again) rear hubs - use a Lancia Beta front bearing with a circlip or lockring depending on the age. The hub itself is a 5 stud one from either and Integrale or an Alfa 147 which all have the 5*98PCD pattern. The FSO bearing is the same as Fiat 131/132/Argenta and will fit the gold front hubs you've got. Note that the spindles are handed, try to buy a bearing kit that includes the locknuts and if you need the washers for the stub axle (they have a tongue that fits the groove in the spindle to stop rotation) give Gerry Hawkridge a call. I think he's got a stock left from a batch I bought & donated when I needed 2 myself.
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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mayers View Post
    The hub itself is a 5 stud one from either and Integrale or an Alfa 147 which all have the 5*98PCD pattern.
    Guy
    Here's a useful thread:
    https://www.stratosec.com/Forum/show...heel-bearings?

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    hello guy thank you for that very us-full, all the front components were there for the front axle except the two washers which jerry at hawk was kind enough to donate. thank you jerry ) i was hoping to post some picks of the weeks work but dont seem to see a way of doing so , maybe some one could advise ?i have all the front components assembled rear up rights in place i have sourced two day the outer cv and hub flange from walkers so that will arrive Tuesday hopefully. i have the long beta shaft with the support , but still need to source shorter one and was struggling to find wheel bearing for rear hub. hub is a cir-clip approx size 81mx37x37 but thanks to your self gut i know what im looking for now and that,s be a wee job for the weekend) many thanks i tried the link posted below but was not permitted access ? but all in all a good week i shall keep you informed and maybe pics if i can work it out lol

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    Errrm. Beta shafts should be the same length. Have you got Beta Montecarlo ones? Kit uses Alfa engine and box plus the Alfa intermediate shaft.
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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    For the Integrale / Alfa 147 (twin spark) hub, the wheel bearing size is 72mm OD x37mm ID x37mm thick.

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    I have vague recollection that very early Betas did have unequal length halfshafts, I think the centre bearing was an early mod? I stand to be corrected though.
    So if you have unequal you would need the short cross shaft and the bearing assembly and mounting as well as the half shaft to the wheel.

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    Re: new member in wales building a hawk

    Yes Peter, first series Betas had a normal length left shaft and a very long right shaft but that changed very early on to equal length ones with an intermediate shaft incorporating the engine mounts we're all familiar with. Current Hawk builders obviously don't need the Beta intermediate shaft assembly, just the outer shafts mated to the Alfa intermediate with spacer adaptor plates to bridge the gaps and cope with the difference PCD's between the Alfa drive flanges and the Beta inner CV joints.

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