Just came across this 2015 vid from Lawrence Clift at Sideways media


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzI5LgOPl94&fbclid=IwAR2G1qVyY5wzfAEr9lFFqstCJqpEVYzasJpG9E8L4b9aDOJ6XsBv17kLlG8