Pirelli Hawk for sale in Andorra

**Normb666** · 26-01-2020, 13:22

To be fair, the advert does say it's a replica, and with my Devil's Advocate hat on, it could be that the thinking is that it's still a lot cheaper than a genuine car. But with my Get Real hat on, you'd wonder why anyone would pay that price when you could build your own new one for, what, a third of the asking price?
As I see it, a car's value is increased due to one, or a combination of, several factors - usually, its desirability, restricted availability and the fact that they aren't made any more. So the Real McCoy is currently sitting in the stratosphere (appropriately), value-wise, due to a combination of all three. A Hawk or a LB, however, can still be bought new (unless something's changed lately), and so values for them must be anchored (roughly) by the price of a new, turn-key car, e.g. if a car of a given spec would cost £75k built, a good used one would be about the same, but maybe somewhat more if availability issues (e.g. long waiting list) applied and people didn't want to wait.
If, however, both companies decided to jack in the Stratos rep thing and get into something a bit less stressful

, then replica values could also rocket as the yardstick of new car availability/price would disappear.

So the point I'm trying to make (finally!) is that, although I've argued several times that our cars' values are rising in line with their respectability and quality, 245K Euros is, er, a tad over the top...well, at the moment, anyway

**Griff** · 26-01-2020, 15:58

MANUFACTURE YEAR 1972
Motor Alfa Romeo 2.500 cc - V6 192 Hp
Preparation for competition :

6 point Roll Cage
Backets ( homologation new )
Harnesses ( homologation new )
Automatic Homologated Extinguishers
Four additional headlights

PRICE OF SALE € 245.000 WoW!!!!!!!

**pim** · 06-02-2020, 19:09

yep price is over the top, but keep in mind it is almost impossible to register a new Lister Bell or Hawk on the continent. It wil have to be looked at as a complete new, non existing car with a very rigourous kind of IVA. Also comply with the newest enviromental standards. Than in Holland there is that special Tax which is a kind of enviromental taks calculated from horsepower and weight. For my Lancia 037 build i calculate now 15.000 Euro's just to get a registration and that is after the IVA which costs 3000 to 5000 if you are Lucky. This calculation gets worse by the year, just ask Stephan who is building a Lister Bell right now and trying to register it in the Netherlands. For that i wish i lived in the UK.
An older existing registration however is much easier to get a registration and less tax and its even much better if its a registration thats already on the continent. The RDW ( Dutch DVLA ) looks very closely and with suspision to kitcars coming from the UK. Partly because in the past there have been false registrations.
So cars with an older registration already on the continent are the best but very hard to find. I sold my Hawk in 2011 for 40.000,-- Euros which was a very good price at that time. Even ten it was hard to register a Hawk, but luckily i got an age related registration on my Hawk on 1988 year of the Alfa 164 were the engine came out. Shame tis is no more possible

Sometimes i regret selling my Hawk, but then again i am building a nice car now and enjoying the build a lot, although i doubt i wil ever be able to drive it on the road. Maybe make it electric that would mean no enviromental tax

Sorry guys just a bit frustrated sometimes, but i decided to finish the build od the 037, lets just see whats possible after that

Originally Posted by Normb666

As I see it, a car's value is increased due to one, or a combination of, several factors - usually, its desirability, restricted availability and the fact that they aren't made any more. So the Real McCoy is currently sitting in the stratosphere (appropriately), value-wise, due to a combination of all three. A Hawk or a LB, however, can still be bought new (unless something's changed lately), and so values for them must be anchored (roughly) by the price of a new, turn-key car, e.g. if a car of a given spec would cost £75k built, a good used one would be about the same, but maybe somewhat more if availability issues (e.g. long waiting list) applied and people didn't want to wait.