LB vs Hawk?

**john** · 23-02-2020, 20:41

Lionel took in more than one or two of us Steve.
I took him on face value as a decent old guy and gave him an enormous amount of my time.
It turned out he knew next to f**k all, had no moral compass and managed to use all of his own financial resources as well as a few other peoples.
Sorry, rant over, but you are right a lot of folks have had to help each other over his failings.
Thank goodness that both companies now involved in kit production are so much better.

**franky** · 23-02-2020, 21:17

I've seen both at stoneleigh a few years ago.

I don't mean the thread as a 'slagging match', owners plus points(and negative).

Also things like total build cost, resale, component quality etc. I'm not set on a toyota engine, I just see it as a bit more 'more' etc.

**ChrisCar6** · 23-02-2020, 22:06

Originally Posted by franky

I've seen both at stoneleigh a few years ago.

I don't mean the thread as a 'slagging match', owners plus points(and negative).

Also things like total build cost, resale, component quality etc. I'm not set on a toyota engine, I just see it as a bit more 'more' etc.

Build cost = length of a piece of string. possibly slightly more predictable for a LB, where I think you can buy everything off the shelf. paint job can vary from £0 to £5000. Spec of instruments, seats, suspension, tyres all involve huge variability at the whim of the builder. I don't think you'll do either model under £60k nowadays.
Resale: there have been more Hawks sold second hand than LB, since LB is relatively recent. Resale prices are not widely advertised, but are on the rise - see other threads. (If you can't see them, it may be because you have to be a club member to access that part of the website)
Component quality: I am not in a position to compare or comment, but since you will source or make many yourself, that is unpredictable in some ways.

**franky** · 23-02-2020, 23:42

Not including paint..... Just talking 'averages'.

**jasonlycett** · 24-02-2020, 13:26

I would message Richard "Ah _sprite" . He has owned both and can give you the best opinion I think. His LB build thread is on here if you look.

My LB will be well below £50K, probably closer to £45K. That includes a rebuilt engine with throttle bodies (alfa v6). I did do the work myself though. Obviousley if you want to pay someone to rebuild the engine for you and do lots of work it would be higher.

**Stratos-Si** · 24-02-2020, 16:07

As far as I am aware, Lister Bell will not be at Stoneleigh this year due to the amount of orders they now have. Best to call and check. They will accomodate a factory visit though.
Regards
Si