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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Paul - genuine question. Does the speed of electric cars, with no noise, or gear changing etc. not feel a bit soulless?

    To me driving is about a whole mix of things, sound, changing gear, dealing with torque curves of engines etc. It's not just about outright speed.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    2030.......really..................

    I'm all for going green but that is a lot of additional power required for all this car charging, let's get those nuclear power stations built (which I have no problem with).

    Also how many car owners park on the street ?????

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Don't forget they are also banning gas heating in new build homes from 2025. The increase in energy demand from electricity will be enormous over the next 10-20 years.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    The trope of ‘there isn’t enough generating capacity’ just won’t die will it. It isn’t a problem, according to the people responsible for it. The current(!) problem is charging infrastructure, or rather lack of, unless you drive a Tesla of course. There are plenty of problems to solve before 100% electric transport will happen, if it ever does, so ICE will be here a while yet. No new pure ICE from 2030 (allegedly). It’s a noble target but like others, I suspect it’ll slip. No new hybrids 5 years after that. Again, it’ll probably slip.

    I used to have that image of an EV pulling a powerstation down the road in my head, but bear in mind, you can actually replace that with a windmill or solar panel, and an ICE needs a refinery and an oil well behind it if you are playing fair. Even with the dirtiest coal powered power stations, a BEV is still less polluting than ICE by a large factor over a typical life of 100000 miles, and that’s total impact including manufacture, use and disposal.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    This "let's go electric to save the planet" is all very noble, but the cars themselves have gotta get much much much much cheaper!! Great if you've got the money, but you can't preach at the masses and try and force them to buy something they can't afford....or walk or whatever. Yeah, right. This is the 21st century, people are SUPPOSED to have personal mobility solutions, not be told to go back to the horse and cart or walk or ride a bicycle! Jeez.

    the other thing that makes me uncomfortable with BEVs is the weight. I simply don't like the idea of carting round an extra half ton of batteries. All the extra energy to do so (even if, at the moment, it's cheaper than petrol), and the knock-on effects on bigger tyres, brakes, bushes, and the pollution you get from particles from those as they wear...it's all a lot more complicated than "buy an electric car, be green". As I said in my previous post, I'm cynical. I don't believe what I'm told simply on face value....

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    All good points Norm, part of the problem is simply an extension of the trend for ever bigger cars anyway. There’s no problem making compact relatively light BEV but people seem to insist on driving tanks. Another is an insistence on having a large range. The stats support the position that the average journey is 20 miles, so why does everyone demand a range of at least 10 times that? Mostly it’s just mindset and habit, and yes, I appreciate it’s the hardest thing to change.

    Price of BEV vs ICE, well, that’s getting better too. Not everyone can afford a 100k Tesla S but then not everyone can afford an Aston either. There are already a number of relatively cheap BEVs on the market. Not as cheap as the cheapest ICE yet for sure, but getting there and it’ll only get better as more manufacturers get onboard. VW are in now. Yes, they have a serious PR problem to solve and no doubt this will help them, but they aren’t alone in seeing the writing on the wall, whether it's based on science or dogma matters not in the end, it’s policy now.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    One concerning point about BEV’s is the lithium batteries, is there enough lithium and cobalt resource in the world to produce all the batteries that will be required. I also understand that lithium batteries are difficult to recycle. My preference would be for hydrogen based system what in ever form it may take.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Fossil fuels will be with us for the a long time into the future because petrol/diesel are only a one part of the myriad uses that oil provides. It's often forgotten that petrol (an upper distillate) was until the advent of ICE an unwanted byproduct of the cracking process and had to be flared off. So in other words when you process crude oil you get petrol whether you want it or not. Basic economics tells us that as the demand for petrol falls so will the price - before tax. Where will government find the massive revenue it currently obtains from fuel duties? That duty will have to be transferred to electrical vehicles in some form reducing the apparent cost benefit that the consumer currently sees This top down attempt at social engineering will fail because the populace will eventually push back - Gilet Jaune anyone?

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Chris, it doesn't matter that the average journey is only 20 miles. People have got used to cars that do at least 250 miles on a tank so why should they settle for anything less? And even if these journeys are mainly just "down the road", it's the fact that they can fill up and travel that 250 miles if they so desire. Most peeps only have one car and it has to do it all, including hols and weekends away, so a car that costs a fortune and only has 100 miles of range won't cut it. And then when you turn on the lights and wipers and the sound system, and the heated screens, and want some heat in the cabin...there's a big chunk out of that 100 miles gone! And that's another problem with the weight, they're too heavy to push
    I love the look of that Honda E thingy. Really clever, and actually desirable, as is the way with Hondas...but the range is daft. Doesn't matter what people "need", it's what they want, and that'll lose them loads of sales, except to those with another car for "proper" trips (and plenty of the old disposable).

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    I can safely say that my Stratos replica currently has zero emmissions.

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