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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Fossil fuels will be with us for the a long time into the future because petrol/diesel are only a one part of the myriad uses that oil provides. It's often forgotten that petrol (an upper distillate) was until the advent of ICE an unwanted byproduct of the cracking process and had to be flared off. So in other words when you process crude oil you get petrol whether you want it or not. Basic economics tells us that as the demand for petrol falls so will the price - before tax. Where will government find the massive revenue it currently obtains from fuel duties? That duty will have to be transferred to electrical vehicles in some form reducing the apparent cost benefit that the consumer currently sees This top down attempt at social engineering will fail because the populace will eventually push back - Gilet Jaune anyone?

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    Chris, it doesn't matter that the average journey is only 20 miles. People have got used to cars that do at least 250 miles on a tank so why should they settle for anything less? And even if these journeys are mainly just "down the road", it's the fact that they can fill up and travel that 250 miles if they so desire. Most peeps only have one car and it has to do it all, including hols and weekends away, so a car that costs a fortune and only has 100 miles of range won't cut it. And then when you turn on the lights and wipers and the sound system, and the heated screens, and want some heat in the cabin...there's a big chunk out of that 100 miles gone! And that's another problem with the weight, they're too heavy to push
    I love the look of that Honda E thingy. Really clever, and actually desirable, as is the way with Hondas...but the range is daft. Doesn't matter what people "need", it's what they want, and that'll lose them loads of sales, except to those with another car for "proper" trips (and plenty of the old disposable).

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    I can safely say that my Stratos replica currently has zero emmissions.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    I love running my hybrid Beta coupe... it has a 12v battery and a really efficient 1600 engine that does 47.8mpg on a run , she is 41 yrs young, now tax exempt and saving the planet as I have been running it for 23 years as a daily and have no desire to buy a 'modern' , how many 'moderns' have been binned in the last 23 yrs? a criminal waste of resources & energy.

    That Kevin Czinger bloke has the right idea, how hard can it be to make a Busso run on hydrogen?

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    I believe the main problem with hydrogen is the conversion process is hugely inefficient in both directions (creating it and converting it back to electricity) so you really need cheap/free electricity to make it viable. I also don't think fuel cells can generate the power required to run a powerful electric motor so we aren't going to see hydrogen sports cars for a while (fuel cell / super capacitor combo maybe)
    But I may be biased - I have a Tesla 3

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Tesla have looked at Cobalt mining and Lithium production and determined that Cobalt mining is a nightmare and Lithium production is very inefficient.
    So Cobalt is no longer being used in their latest batteries.
    They have an entirely new method for producing Lithium that is very green.
    The batteries are designed to be recycled.
    The peoples Tesla is a couple of years away.
    Urban car ownership will decline considerably when RoboTaxis roam the streets. They will be like Uber but without a driver. The cost will be a fraction of the current Uber cost.
    In terms of driver enjoyment. I absolutely love my Tesla. It overtakes like my Hayabusa.

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