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    The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Seems it will be officially announced as a policy tomorrow.

    Seems pretty clear in terms of no new petrol/diesel sales. But how will this affect those looking to build cars? Will they all have to be registered on age-related plates? Or could they be registered as 'new' with the engine being classed as the 'used' part and therefore not 'new' if you get my drift?

    If it does mean a ban on any new kits using petrol/diesel engines then it could spell the end of the industry. Unless someone works out how to do things with motors and batteries.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Yes I was wondering about this - it's quite a conundrum for the industry I would think. I'm not sure a Stratos replica with an electric motor and battery pack will create the same magic as an internal combustion engine. However I think there is a market for kit cars which are electric powered.
    Interestingly there seems also to be a Restomod movement developing for putting electric motors in Classic Cars to give them a new lease of life - anyone seen Vintage Voltage on TV?

    For the general car market however I think the move is inevitable - sadly - but that doesnt mean that we will not be able to carry on using our ICE cars does it? (or does it?)

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    I think there will be many year to come of ICE use, but eventually in the future i guess they will mostly die out. Hopefully they will still supply petrol / diesel for the classics and specialist cars that will be around.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Quote Originally Posted by LPH_UK View Post
    Hopefully they will still supply petrol / diesel for the classics and specialist cars that will be around.
    And there's the crux. At some point in the future it will become uneconomic to run a refinery or the price of fuel will rise so much that we can't afford to fill a tank? I guess that time will be somewhere in the mid 2030's? How log does the average car last these days? Guess 8-10 years? As 2030 approaches there'll be fewer and fewer people wanting to "risk" buying a non electric vehicle for fear of only getting a few years out of it.

    Anyhoo, I'll be 75 by then and completely doolally. But just in case, I'm planning on digging a big hole in my front garden and then, when nobody is looking, late one night, I'm hijacking the last fuel tanker out of Ellesmere Port. Hopefully it's going to have a nice load of petrol and diesel on board.
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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    So Guy - a Viking burial ! very dramatic !

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Mayers View Post
    Anyhoo, I'll be 75 by then and completely doolally.
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    Speak for yourself, Guy. 2030 is only half way in time than that that has passed since 2000, or only as much again as it has taken to get my Build on the road from first order. I remember millenium night very clearly, and where has that time gone!!!

    I'd better start installing a charging plug now!!! and get the Hamster Wheel connected to the Grid.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    At the end of June 2020, there were38.4 million licensed vehicles in Great Britain,
    only 6.6% of those vehicles are battery electric. The UK doesn't have the electrical generating capacity to support the energy requirements of 36 million plus vehicles.
    So I suspect that hydro carbon fuelled vehicles will be around for a good length of time beyond the mid 2030's

    Having said that, if you do bury the petrol tanker Guy, can I pop up with a couple of gerry cans??

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    2030.......really..................

    I'm all for going green but that is a lot of additional power required for all this car charging, let's get those nuclear power stations built (which I have no problem with).

    Also how many car owners park on the street ?????

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    Don't forget they are also banning gas heating in new build homes from 2025. The increase in energy demand from electricity will be enormous over the next 10-20 years.

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    Re: The proposed ban on the sale of new petrol/diesel cars in 2030.

    The trope of ‘there isn’t enough generating capacity’ just won’t die will it. It isn’t a problem, according to the people responsible for it. The current(!) problem is charging infrastructure, or rather lack of, unless you drive a Tesla of course. There are plenty of problems to solve before 100% electric transport will happen, if it ever does, so ICE will be here a while yet. No new pure ICE from 2030 (allegedly). It’s a noble target but like others, I suspect it’ll slip. No new hybrids 5 years after that. Again, it’ll probably slip.

    I used to have that image of an EV pulling a powerstation down the road in my head, but bear in mind, you can actually replace that with a windmill or solar panel, and an ICE needs a refinery and an oil well behind it if you are playing fair. Even with the dirtiest coal powered power stations, a BEV is still less polluting than ICE by a large factor over a typical life of 100000 miles, and that’s total impact including manufacture, use and disposal.

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