Allora corse hawk LB

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Originally Posted by ProtoTipo

Have there been any more recently?

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Shades - a Transformer HF3000 - is currently for sale in France for €95,000. Plus side is that it's EU registered, downside it's RHD in a LHD market.

Frederic has bought and sold a few over the last couple of years? That information is his business so if he wants to disclose the prices paid I'd let him do so.

Phil Dolby has sold a couple of cars, Chris & Jane Smiths has gone to France too. I'm sure there are others.

I've been offered what I would have previously considered silly money for my car with one particularly insistent person at Race Retro returning to the stand several times to see if I'd changed my mind. However I'm still of the opinion that it will only be for sale when I'm no longer fit to drive it. Being LHD/properly registered/over 30 years old may account for the offers.

The market continues to change I think. With demand out stripping supply by a fair margin anyone willing to sell does so in the knowledge that they can't replace their car like for like very easily. The value of these cars is also dependant on the buyers ability to get them legally registered in their country of choice otherwise it's just something to use on track days or stare at in the living room. That's where we all keep them isn't it? Or is that what we call the Garage these days?

Can't remember the date but think it was mid-2020 - Gordon Caro's immaculate ListerBell, 3.0 Alfa power, 2k miles, asking a lot more than £54K, sold in next to no time. Told him it was too cheap... prices will be up since then, due to currently-closed order book. Only way to get one is to buy used!

Guy, yours will be expensive due to its provenance. Any car of yours that's survived 30 years is a miracle :) :)

I recently priced up a new kit apparently I had specified a high spec but it was all parts you needed to complete the build factor in another 10k for additional bits ie donor paint vat etc and you have spent north of 50k and you still have to put it together I could not justify that so have decided on a used kit/car. It would be nice to build new but i felt I needed to be realistic.

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Originally Posted by renmure

A follow-up question from me...

If I'm looking at general photos (cars on show, cars at a meet etc) are there some easy things to see or to look for which could clearly help identify a Hawk from an LB from an other? It's only recently that I discovered that the originals had fuel filler caps on either side so that helps me there... if I can see them.

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Hawk is the easiest to identify from an original or an LB - just look for a large block step under the sill about 40mm deep - That will tell you its a Hawk .

LB - its actually slightly harder to tell from an original - but the most straight forward way is to look for the lack of a vertical line in the sill at the back of the door. LB also has crisper cleaner lines

An original - Non block under the sill - vertical line in the sill at the back of the door.

And LHD - RHD naturally

Allora - The body line in the nose is not aligned with the rest of the body line - they have a slight droop snoot

Corse - Very flat profile to the roof spoiler

The next one that comes up for sale will probably set a new bench mark.
You'll probably think the Hawk at the bottom of the garden was cheap.

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Originally Posted by ProtoTipo

The next one that comes up for sale will probably set a new bench mark.
You'll probably think the Hawk at the bottom of the garden was cheap.

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Yep - I continue to sit on my pile of parts wondering what the smart thing to do is - I have been approached a couple of times but as I have no need to sell and the market still strong and rising - I will just sit tight - plan being this year to actually progress with putting it back together. Should that plan fail then I will probably sell it and buy a G4.

The Scottish Corse price surprised the heck out of me never mind the garden Hawk

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Originally Posted by ProtoTipo

All types of Stratos replica have the potential to be finished to a high standard.
Given how few come up for sale, you'd probably have to grab whatever came up for sale first. In any case, you need lots of patience.

In the last couple of years, these cars and kits have come up for sale:
May 2019 - Lister Bell STR, finished car £54,000 (I think that was the asking price, and the goal posts on completed and registered cars have probably moved since?)
September 2020 - Transformer (Hawk) HF registered properly, but needed finishing and painting £19,099
June 2021 - Litton Corse, asking £23,000

Have there been any more recently?

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https://www.stratosec.com/Forum/show...B-STR-Stradale December 2019 - £67K and sold pretty quickly IIRC

The ebay Corse - is that the one that went to the Wrexham outfit for building ? March 2016 - was about £14K I think




I would think that an incomplete registered kit would be £30K plus now depending on the specification - there are plenty of us about who should know ;)

Well, it's like we were saying at the time. Strat prices - for ANY Strat - have risen so there are no "cheap" ones any more. Unless you find someone selling who's been living in a cave for the last 5 years, cut off from contact with humanity... Martin, as you've discovered, a full kit ain't cheap. Except till you look at what else you could have new for that sort of money that's vaguely exotic.

30k for an incomplete but registered kit would be fine I think, I would much rather back track and rebuild to my spec

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Originally Posted by ProtoTipo

All types of Stratos replica have the potential to be finished to a high standard.
Given how few come up for sale, you'd probably have to grab whatever came up for sale first. In any case, you need lots of patience.

Have there been any more recently?

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The obvious one would be the ex RC Pirelli Hawk which was for sale anywhere between £69,995 and £109,995 depending which day of the week it was and which way the wind was blowing.
I'm pretty sure it is now abroad so that would indicate it sold. I do know what the sale figure was though.