Excellent project! And don't hesitate to share pictures of the Alpine either!
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Excellent project! And don't hesitate to share pictures of the Alpine either!
037 only, I reckon Pim.Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
Here's the one in the U.K. based Olio car:
Because it bolts into the 3 standard Monte/X1/9 stick captives. Therefore it has to be for that car only.Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
I've looked at every other likely part, Ferrari, 850 Spider, 500/600, Pantera etc.
Is this an original Montecarlo stick?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
You can find the Alpine build log over here: https://www.facebook.com/pimsalpine/?ref=bookmarksQuote:
Originally Posted by monoposto
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
X1/9s are similar, if not the same part.
For some reason, it tickled me when I spotted the X 2/0 designation on the back of the instrument cluster on my old Monte. Probably a clue in that.
I think it was going to be a Fiat at one stage Chris?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoCorseChris
They do share so many parts, especially with the 1500 X1/9:
All four suspension corners, hubs and brakes. 'Same steering rack, but with longer track rods. 'Similar one long/one short driveshaft arrangement (Monte RH shaft tubular).
need some help identifying this electric pump, it is i think for the water injection.
the pump is right from the red circle
Its beginning to look like a car now :D
Not sure you've got the seat mounted right.
great pim, look forward to this project every time you post. This, a delta, or an rs200 would be my choice for the next project!
I have use it, in combination with a delta integrale 16 v Gr.A engine in my 037 recreation I will post some pictures soon , I take it from a C32 AMGQuote:
Originally Posted by strat24v
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Attachment 13520 Today engine is running , coolant system is finished , shafts Brakes and gear lever is done , most of the electrical system as well , car has more than 75 % of the job done, but belive me is a massive proyect I have been 6 years doing it I if somene is thinking in doing it he has to think about it well, it a nigthmare I was close to give up twice, but when I finish I will undestand thing in a different point of view ....I guess
Excellent.... Don't give up !!.....will look forward to the video of it running...
Looking great, i wish i was that far, how are you going about registration in Spain, Do you need a new registration or can you use the Montecarlo registration. Great seeing another build, please keep us posted! Do you have a build log?
My priorities ly now with the Alpine, first start up after engine being silent for almost 3 years: https://www.facebook.com/pimsalpine/...0629507052379/
Hope to drive it this summer and then ( sadly ) sell it to finisch the 037. Only one car fits in the garage ;)
What gearbos are you using?
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Originally Posted by pacorron
'Looks like a ZF to me Pim?Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
yes it is, with the shift mechanism on the left side, must be Panthera then?
Now you say Pim, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
It is only on the left side on Panteras?
Here is the car above, compared to my photo of the original (the OLIO FIAT livered car in the UK), which has the shift box on the right, as well as some oil take offs etc.
heres a Panthera and 037 gearbox
Both expensive!Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
A GT40 ZF must have the gear shift on the right, as the 037?
Yes it did somewhat as the GT40 had the gearbox inverted :rolleyes:
Must be for a lower point of gravity??
[QUOTE=ProtoTipo;45357]Both expensive!
i think over 15.000 Euros now :(
Or just so it drove the right way??Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
Mor forward gears than reverse(s)?
I'm only asking not being smart!
I'm confused now, because I've read that the Pantera (and 037) are the ones that have the ZF transaxle 'inverted', and that the GT40 is the right way up?
'Seems there's a lot of work to do, (with the 'oiling') if you want to fit a Pantera box the other way up in a GT40 replica?
The Porsche transaxle was inverted in Lionels "Evo", supposedly because the Alfa engine ran opposite direction to the Porsche engine.
Have I got that completely wrong?
And that did require an oil pump, cooler and breather system.
No John,Quote:
Originally Posted by john
A rear engine transaxle (911/Beetle) needs to be inverted for a mid engine car (like a Hewland that has the drain plug facing upwards, because it started life as Beetle gearbox).
That's easier for me to understand than this Pantera/GT40 thing.
All the engines turn the same way.
B series Honda engines turn counter clockwise, but they are the only modern engines I know of with that configuration - there are probably various pre-war oddities as well.
Perhaps it all goes back to the Starting Handle and the majority of people being right handed. Perhaps the Honda engine was designed by a left handed person, or am I being discriminatory?
As Chris says the Porsche 911 is rear engined with a forward mounted gearbox (transaxle). In the Porsche the input shaft is quite high because of the flat 6 engine requiring space underneath it for the exhaust manifolds etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
If you were to spin the box round to suit the mid engined rear facing gearbox without inverting it then you end up with 1 forward and 6 reverse gears.
In a mid engined low ground clearance tarmac/road/sports cars such as the Gt40, Ultima, T70 etc where I have seen the Porsche box used then it is advantageous to have the box inverted so that the pinion shaft (and subsequently diff and output flanges) is 75mm above the input shaft/crank height as this gives a much better angle on the driveshafts. In the Napiersport EVO then it did not need an oil system but it was probably deemed advantageous to fit one. A breather system was required for sure. The later Getrag Porsche Gt2 & Gt3 boxes did have an internal oil system (& an external heat exchanger) and this did need to be modified to function once the box was inverted
On the 037 which was a rally car and therefore probably ran more ground clearance then it would be better to have the output flanges below the input shaft to get a better range of travel for the driveshafts.
[QUOTE=pim;45365]Renault UN 1 are cheaper and often used on old GT40 replica as my Dax one...Isn’t possible to fit on the engine of your Lancia 037 build?Quote:
Originally Posted by ProtoTipo
[QUOTE=Stratie.fr;45389]The Renault option is pretty outdated now and they were never that strong in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
The more acceptable alternative is the Audi 01E or similar from the A4/A6 range. Because they are often TDi derived they can cope with the Torque. What effect this has on the ratios however needs calculating.
There is a company in Devon who do a range of adapter plates to suit although I suspect one for an 037 is not on the list!!
[QUOTE=Stratie.fr;45389]The Renault option is pretty outdated now and they were never that strong in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
The more acceptable alternative is the Audi 01E or similar from the A4/A6 range. Because they are often TDi derived they can cope with the Torque. What effect this has on the ratios however needs calculating.
There is a company in Devon who do a range of adapter plates to suit although I suspect one for an 037 is not on the list!!
[QUOTE=Strat Fan;45391]What is the name of that company?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stratie.fr
with the ZF the crown wheel/ differential can be turned 180 degrees so the engine runs the right way ( gears ). Just like the UN1 i believe?
I see?Quote:
Originally Posted by pim
I'm learning things here.
I had no idea they went to these extremes for the GT40, but then it stands to reason that they'd want to get that Ford V8 hanging as low as possible.
[QUOTE=pim;45397]I'm guessing this Pim, but Craig will confirm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Strat Fan
http://www.gtracingonline.co.uk/4.html