Allora corse hawk LB

[Darkspeed]

A follow-up question from me...

If I'm looking at general photos (cars on show, cars at a meet etc) are there some easy things to see or to look for which could clearly help identify a Hawk from an LB from an other? It's only recently that I discovered that the originals had fuel filler caps on either side so that helps me there... if I can see them.

Hawk is the easiest to identify from an original or an LB - just look for a large block step under the sill about 40mm deep - That will tell you its a Hawk .

LB - its actually slightly harder to tell from an original - but the most straight forward way is to look for the lack of a vertical line in the sill at the back of the door. LB also has crisper cleaner lines

An original - Non block under the sill - vertical line in the sill at the back of the door.

And LHD - RHD naturally

Allora - The body line in the nose is not aligned with the rest of the body line - they have a slight droop snoot

Corse - Very flat profile to the roof spoiler

[ProtoTipo]

The next one that comes up for sale will probably set a new bench mark.
You'll probably think the Hawk at the bottom of the garden was cheap.

[Darkspeed]

The next one that comes up for sale will probably set a new bench mark.
You'll probably think the Hawk at the bottom of the garden was cheap.

Yep - I continue to sit on my pile of parts wondering what the smart thing to do is - I have been approached a couple of times but as I have no need to sell and the market still strong and rising - I will just sit tight - plan being this year to actually progress with putting it back together. Should that plan fail then I will probably sell it and buy a G4.

The Scottish Corse price surprised the heck out of me never mind the garden Hawk

[Normb666]

Well, it's like we were saying at the time. Strat prices - for ANY Strat - have risen so there are no "cheap" ones any more. Unless you find someone selling who's been living in a cave for the last 5 years, cut off from contact with humanity... Martin, as you've discovered, a full kit ain't cheap. Except till you look at what else you could have new for that sort of money that's vaguely exotic.

[renmure]

Hawk is the easiest to identify from an original or an LB - just look for a large block step under the sill about 40mm deep - That will tell you its a Hawk .

LB - its actually slightly harder to tell from an original - but the most straight forward way is to look for the lack of a vertical line in the sill at the back of the door. LB also has crisper cleaner lines

An original - Non block under the sill - vertical line in the sill at the back of the door.

And LHD - RHD naturally

Allora - The body line in the nose is not aligned with the rest of the body line - they have a slight droop snoot

Corse - Very flat profile to the roof spoiler

Thanks, that's helpful.
I'll head off and look at some pics to test my new spotting skillz

[ProtoTipo]

Thanks, that's helpful.
I'll head off and look at some pics to test my new spotting skillz

To date, Hawk/Transformer front louvre slots are shorter, but the whole assembly is in 4 individual alloy parts.

[john]

There were a couple of myths about Corse bodywork.
The flat roof spoiler which Andrew mentions was only as a result of laziness on assembling the two half's. Upper and lower. I made an acceptably curved spoiler from the same moulds while they were in my charge.
The other myth was about the concave roof shape which again was only on some cars when the centre section mould had been stored with something on top of it prior to use. The mould was flexible! If you turned it upside down and put a bag of sand inside it popped back to the correct shape.
There were two sets of Corse moulds. The original ones, some of which appeared to be of Allora vintage, and a further set produced by an outfit in Oxfordshire. That second set had supposedly been refined, but the moulds were as floppy as a very floppy thing, and coupled with some very resin rich thick laying up the panel quality (Napiersport) was very hit and miss.
The original moulds still exist and are in private ownership. The second set were sold to France and are probably best forgotten about.
The LB panels are light years ahead of Corse/Allora stuff.

[ProtoTipo]

The flat roof spoiler which Andrew mentions was only as a result of laziness on assembling the two half's. Upper and lower. I made an acceptably curved spoiler from the same moulds while they were in my charge.

Flat roof spoilers are not an uncommon sight on the original Lancia Stratos.

Here's some:

[john]

Cripes! Who knew!?
One look at that white car and I would say "replica".

[ProtoTipo]

One look at that white car and I would say "replica".

I wondered too John, but there's some more photos of it, and it's definitely a real one.