Yes - I gather it’s supposed to be the closest to what Lancia made and that’s what I’m after.Originally Posted by Martin0074
Yes - I gather it’s supposed to be the closest to what Lancia made and that’s what I’m after.
So have you got your name down for the Hawk's latest creation with the Steel Tub ?
I doubt the steel is smelted for my frame it’s so far in the future so in a queue for something- I don’t mind what - if economics was the deciding factor I dare say we’d all have a supercharged S2 Elise - having had a caterham I quite like a space frame - it’s labour intensive but very rigid. Obviously for originality I gather a steel tub is grand. Obviously in the numbers hawk will produce in and the methods the cost is probably reversed so do I understand and can well believe the steel tub is dearer.
when I was talking to Gerry during my visit he mentioned his steel tub replica would be indistinguishable from an original but would have a 200k+ price tag
Is that just the chassis or the whole car. I can well believe a Dino motor will be approaching 80 -100k when fit. If a two bed flat by the sea in Cornwall is 500k/700k, £200k when you can have so much pride in and fun with it feels like a bargain. Mind you you can have a lot of pride and fun with a Capri (30k), original XR2 (20k) or a Caterham (35k) which will set you hair on fire.
I once read about a bloke who spent years building up a R4 alpine - scoured Europe for years for the bits - amazing thing - cost low, highest effort and wow factor.
Last edited by AndrewF; 21-02-2022 at 20:43.
£200k!!! Golly, you could almost get a proper LB for that if you cut back a bit and decided not to go for some of the carbon parts.
Genuine point swirling in my head tho. Surely the kits available now effectively allow people to build/own/order cars that are better than the originals so it seems like a case of reverse-engineering gone array to develop something less good than you can currently have, just because you can, when at the end of the day it will never be any more original than anything else that isn't, err, original.
Takes all sorts tho and I'm all for folk with more money than sense spreading it about a bit.
The £200k price Gerry quoted was an estimate of a completed car. Not just the steel tub. No matter what he does it'll always be possible to tell them from an original. Unless you use a Stratos as a donor car. Now don't laugh at that. If you go to Goodwood or Silverstone and watch the Cobras racing just how many of those do you think are the genuine article and how many are ally bodied replicas. A LOT more than you might think, wreck an original and it's a serious wallet dent but a replica. Well, still expensive but not to the same extent. So, there are people out there rallying their Stratos and a replacement steel tub makes a lot of sense...
And yes, I actually considered selling my car a couple of years ago as it would have funded a steel tub and Dino drivetrain. The sale of the second car, once completed, would have financed the remainder. But it's not going to happen.I'm going to need the cash from the second one for a house move....
Guy
It’s old adage “I’ve have this brush for 40 years and in all that time it’s only had five new heads and four handles”
You could say the same for the Lynx D type, a Montreal on carbs ( the non burning sort of Montreal) the Eagle e type. I saw a man with an F40 bring his car to a show, unload it, start it, load it up and that was it. Maybe just owning it made him happy. But I want to tinker and drive a car I have and you guys can do that with yours and you built em and you can fix em whether you spent 20k or 200k on it.£200k!!! Golly, you could almost get a proper LB for that if you cut back a bit and decided not to go for some of the carbon parts.
Genuine point swirling in my head tho. Surely the kits available now effectively allow people to build/own/order cars that are better than the originals so it seems like a case of reverse-engineering gone array to develop something less good than you can currently have, just because you can, when at the end of the day it will never be any more original than anything else that isn't, err, original.
Takes all sorts tho and I'm all for folk with more money than sense spreading it about a bit.
I could if I really knew what they were.
I wasn't having a dig at anything or anyone. I'm just looking at it from a simplistic viewpoint that upwards of £200k is a lot of money to spend on something that's "indistinguishable from the original" without being original when the entry point for buying an original is "only" 2 or 3 times that amount and if you've got upwards of £200k to spend on a replica then you've likely got enough loose change to get an original original. The only guy I know who fits into that camp owns an LB. Make of that what you will.
Mind you, as Guy says, maybe owners of originals will buy replicas of their cars in the same way that I bought a 1/18th scale model of mine. Well, actually I bought a 1/1 replica of my 1/18 scale model so that blows sense out of the water I guess. Anyhow, as I say, it takes all sorts.
He possibly only went along to the show in an unselfish manner to give pleasure to the dozens of folk attending who'd never seen an F40 and started it up for the 100s of folk who'd never heard one. I'm sure he'd rather be out driving it.
Anyhow...... Busso engine gets my vote as well
Last edited by renmure; 21-02-2022 at 22:37.
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